Our defensive line speed is awfu, if you look at their second try, it came from the 1st receiver getting the ball and havingan easy 10-15 metres before anyone got near him, and then he flicked a ball out of the back door, and a few passes later, it was try time.

Atkins needs to get into their faces more in defence, he is hanging back too much.

Our kicking game is poor, may as well pass the ball to them at times.

Kevin Brown's plays at times are awful, he needs to improve his decision making.

Widdop isnt an NRL player,he is a junior grade player.

Tomkins doesn't look 100% to me. I think England should be relieved to be only two scores behind right now. An improved completion rate and a faster sliding defence and we might be ok, but I can only see us tiring from here on out and the kiwis will probably end up winning by 20+ or so.

Don't know how we didn't score when O Loughlin broke through, why didn't he just give it to Robinson on his inside?!

Plus points though - Whiddop looks like a really good player, was a bit sceptical of us playing an unproven 21 year old that's hardly played for his club, but he is easily Engands best choice for fullback IMO. Graham, Ellis, Burgess playing well. Briscoe looking really solid, just wish we could get some more ball to him!

We've definately missed a trick not flying deacon out when morley got injured, someone who can take control and move us around the park.

Thought O'Loughlin was brilliant in that first half, he seemed to be involved in every tackle.

And I'd agree, get sam at 1 and let him take the line on!

How could NZ's defence be poor lol?

We don,t have any organizer in the team and our kicking game is poor. Atkins and Brown not offering much in attack and defence at the moment. Second half when Roby comes back on I would put Robinson at scrum half with Tomkins at stand off. To win this match we need to have the next score and come up with 100% completion rate to control this game. Roby and Tomkins have to come up with something special to give the team some belief.

There doesn't look to be 12 points in England at the moment, haven't been expansive enough and dropped far too much basic ball to give themselves a chance. Need both Robinson and Roby on the field and keep us sharp out of dummy half and hope to break them through the middle as the halfbacks aren't going to get the job done for us.

Our = England.

At Peacock saying Tony Archer has never given them a good decision when he has been playing.

NZ dominated from start to finish, usual one-eyed Aussie refereeing and we're still only 12-0 down.

Can't see England scoring twice though.

Will we score at all in the 4 Nations, excluding the PNG game?

No way.

He is about as speedy as Wellens and as penetrative.

If you look at the video, Robinson came through a bit late. SOL had already looked for support on his left but Robinson was quite a way back so went right instead...

Got to score first...

Nice hair though.

Chance here, need a repeat set at the very least.

here is englands chance

this ref sucks bad

Deary me today

You sound like Stevo.

40 mins to score more than 2 tries...

Not that hard unless your head is stuck in 1973.

Kiwis werent even interested! Hows that obstrucution?

fark i can smell a try coming

Send him home now!

Nice catch Widdop.