Can I get a bright red shiney train set this year pleeeeasssse Santa

Amen.

So then...in the interest of fairness and to ensure all teams are treated equally, who goes and who stays in the next round of licencing.

We (cas) are on a downward spirral and seem to want to make the rfl's decision to kick us out so much easier.
Unless we do something drastic we are gone next time.
The worst thing is that apart from a minority of hardcore fans nobody else in the area seems to give a toss anymore.

Super League 2012:

Hull KR
Hull FC
Widnes
Wigan
Leeds
St Helens
Bradford
Warrington
Castleford
Huddersfield
Wakefield
Halifax
Keighley (despite Leaguefan's comments!





)
Barrow

Where's the expansion Roofs?

It doesn't work unfortunately.

I didn't know that it was certain there were only going to be 14 teams next season ? I think Widnes are nailed on and rightly so, if one has to drop then it will be wakey or cas depending on stadium issues. However all this talk of criteria will (if this is actually true, we will see) surely benefit the likes of Wakey/Cas/Salford/Quins. I think there is a point for averaging a top 8 finish across 3 seasons, 40% capacity of stadium, no infringement of salary cap, decent youth academy (might be very wrong there!). I know modern stadium requirements count for 1/10 points. Saying all this and that I still think it will come down to Wakey/Cas' stadium developments.

Also despite the dwindling attendances for Quins they will be nailed on just for the purposes of London being represented in RL, which is debatable for some. Crusaders have improved since this new club has been formed. As for Salford... I really don't know about them so can't comment.

So yes Wakey or Cas to go! If the league is only going to have 14 teams that is...

Sat 29 May 2:30 Harlequins U20 46 - 28 Hull KR U20.......yeah, you'd never see a team of young Cockneys putting the mighty HKR kids to the sword would you



These U20's are pretty much the U16's from 4 years ago who were getting tonked by everyone......Oh, hang on, not HKR because you didn't have a yoof set up then did you

You only scrambled one together to get a licence, then nicked players from FC or paid over the odds for hasbeens from both hemispheres......development Hull East Stylie!!!

Principled one, I admire your tenacity, but you do know that without Mr Murdochs shilling, HKR, along with a lot of other teams would go under....I mean, our debts of actually nothing.........(debt, not loss) pale in comparison to your own great club. Our stadium is state of the art, compare to just a state

and we have loads of locally trained lads comming through...even a cockney albanian from feltham.....but you're right, expansion doesn't work.

And after all that what are your crowds like after 30 years?



FYI - You only don't have major debt because of those annual RL payments that we've discussed before.





Oh, and about your away support.....

THAT last post was the definition of a lost argument

Looks like an opinion to me.

He deviated completely to subjects that are irrelevant because he couldn't respond to Gutterfax's post. Game, set and match

I thought a clubs attendances is one of the criteria for a franchise?

Im sure i read somehwhere that away support will be noted in the next round of franchise applictations as well as average home gates.

He's already countered that point with a host of others and your only option was to resort to your original stick.

As for away attendances it simply wont, how can you judge it? I wish some people would use common sense. I'll highlight it again, I NEVER buy away tickets from Warrington's shop despite working in Warry town centre; why? because its too far to walk when im a busy guy and I live on the outskirts of town so its a while out of my way. There's hundreds like me with every club.

Definitely should be IMO, both our clubs would pass with flying colours I reckon.

You're obviously not the brightest.
Read my post above again, how could it be calculated?

Easily.

Agree mate. Dico you can literally count away support sometimes! If you can't, turnstiles can tell you, e.g. at Hull FC they know how many a team has taken because nearly (if not all) away fans go in one stand which (AFAIK) they usually have to themselves.

Simples.

to gauge away support you can look at the SL stats things here and away games.

its shouldnt be a valid criteria anyway

www.slstats.org/Away.html thats the table with away crowds.

www.slstats.org/Away.html thats the table with away crowds.

you have just disproved your own point, well done on that, ill leave you to work out how, it would be interesting to see if you can

and would you really be stupid enough to try compare a leeds fan travelling more than 60 miles 3 times a season to a Quins fan who would never travel less than a few hundred miles?

its Hull KR's responsibility to fill craven park, the fact no one wants to go to east hull whilst you are desperate for an excuse to get out is your problem, not Quins or anybody elses?

no it isnt.

Lol there was about 140 KR fans last night, passed with flying colours eh. I remembered this thread and just laughed.
Considering eighty percent of the people in that stand were warrington fans i'd love to know how you're calculating this away fans total...