In what way did they finance catalans?

OK.


See that outside the window: that's reality.


See the things the voices in your head are telling you: that's not reality.


hth

the RFL finance every team in SL via Sky Tv money.

so if its not toulose they are "financing" it will be widnes or wakey.

dumb argument really

other than the Sky grant the RFL dont subsidize catalans.

Who would that be then

But achieved nothing.




Would be interesting to see our respective average league positions over the last 10 years. I don't think either club would have anything to shout about. Your average maybe lower, but I would have thought that the difference is marginal, or at the very best, a little better.

'Catchment area'? What does that mean? Anyways, by having a small catchment area, then surely, that in itself should put your SL place in jeopardy. Your club will struggle to grow.




You have produced more average players that have had little impact in the world of RL. It is not something to shout from the rooftops.

In terms of academy talent, you have not got close to matching, for example, Leeds. I would also add that Trinity have produced better talent.





10k? that's hardly aiming for the stars though, fella. Aspirations of SL clubs should be much more than that.


I have no issue with Cas, it was always a good day out, a decent set of fans and I like the ground (more so than any of the more modern stadia) and tend to play entertaining RL but what's the use in restructuring the game and making only minor improvements?

If only Salford were as effective as Widnes at producing below average players for lower end SL clubs and those in the NLs.

Salford haven't produced many great talents. I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Other clubs (e.g. Leeds) have been better at developing Salford-born talent.

I keep hearing about all of these clubs producing all this great junior talent. Where is it? The standard of RL in this country is dire. You would think we could match Australia on an annual basis with all of this 'talent' we are producing.

So who is it then?

Which team not currently in sl would get larger crowds and have better youth development?

Likewise i have no issue with salford, but if you do compare the teams during the sl era castleford has been far more succesful both onfiled and off.

I acknowledged that we have produced very little. Something you appear to have over-looked.

However, you failed to address my points

Fella, you have been marginally better than us. You have been lower-mid, we have been lower-end. That does not make your performances 'successful'.

As for the house-building in the surrounding area. You are assuming that these people will like RL and support Cas. That's a big 'if'. There are still much larger areas that could be exploited.

I still don't see this amazing talent that goes along way to justify keepibng in SL. Would the area suddenly stop producing RL players if Cas moved to the NLs?

As for Salford, I have yet to be convinced that we can develop as much as I would like us to. However, I am not posting on this thread to justify our inclusion, I simply questioning the inclusion of other clubs.

Personally I think you have a stronger case than Widnes. You produce better players on the whole, you have far bigger crowds and I believe you can grow to be a club that is bigger than they will ever be. Plus I prefer your stadium to that used by Widnes - it looks cheap and tatty.

I wasn't making any points anywhere which needed any in-depth explination. I merely asked a simple question of belgianxiii, regarding his assertion that:


My question was:


There was no attack on Salford. I just want to know which player he is talking about?

All that was required of belgianxiii was a name.

This is the licensing debate that should have been going on 2 years ago, Celtic were never really in competition with Widnes it was always salford and a couple of years on I have to ask.

What on earth do Salford bring to the table? We've got a couple of years to run but by jesus, they're lagging.
Cas getting a new stadium and Wakey dont will see the end of them and if Salford dont move up a gear then Widnes will replace them.
The time for false promises is gone.

Cas may have a small catchment area by name but they reach further to the south iirc than just 'Castleford'. That's definately the way to go.
Same way as i've said before if Leigh ever want to survive it's gonna have to be north through bolton

And pepe was trying to get one up re myler because he came from Widnes.
I raise you Alker or ratchford

I'm not trying to get one up on anybody. I just want to know who belgianxiii was talking of. If it was Myler, then clearly he is wrong. However, he may have meant someone else. I'd just be interested to know who. Simple really.




Well done.

Out of interest, did either of those players actually come right through from Salford's service area, into their youth set up and then on to the first team? Or do they come from other club's service, and amateur club, areas?

I know Ratchford came from the Wigan service area but then if we're talking service areas then Leeds haven't produced all those players they're claiming either; Watkins played junior rugby in warrington despite being from salford iirc, Burrow is from Castleford and Sinfield's from Oldham just three off the top of my head.
If a club's took a junior at 16 and turned him into a SL player they've produced him imo..but yes, you're right, you can claim Myler

Are you seriously claiming that the Stobart Stadium looks cheap and tatty compared to Castleford's ground?

You may prefer the atmosphere it generates and I wouldn't argue with that but to claim Widnes ground looks cheap and tatty in comparison is ridiculous.

Not much work been done today

Oh?

Well thanks very much for your permission.



The fact he not only comes from Widnes, but was also brought through our academy system and eventually into the first team, gives me every right to claim him as a product of the Widnes Vikings. What you say is irrelevant to me.

I'm still none the wiser as to whom belgianxiii was actually refering to though.

Course you do, Myler.
And it's okay, I readily give to the needy and after last years displays, Widnes are needy


Enjoy turning up to watch Cullens barmy gameplans and Kevin Penny/Steve Pickersgill, depending on how we go you might get a few more of our droppings

To be fair Dick Scratcher has some good points.

debate on the merits of toulose > whinging from leigh fans about the role of franchising > widnes fans talking about widnes

Enlighten us then

err … no. He doesn't. He has some paranoid fantasies with no basis in reality ("I think the RFL is funding Catalans, therefore it must be true"icon_wink.gif

ill stick to bigging up toulose on a thread that supposed to be about that thanks very much

im actually interested in the thread topic

' Big up ' Toulouse all you want , but if you dont have a good reason to displace somebody to make way for them , then you ' bigging up ' lacks credence

What you are saying is ' sod who we damage ' lets stick in a French club no matter what

If that is what you mean then say so