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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"When Wigan beat Saints in the qualifying reserves semi final Wigan had eight players who still qualified at U18 (academy) level.'"
So more than half the team were first team players/players too old for the reserves? Plus thats just one game, over the course of the year how many first teamers played?
I'm not saying winning the u121's isnt a good achievment, but because of first team players playing in the reserves its not a great indicator of how well your doing at youth level compared to the u18's, where wigan were on a par with a number of teams, so to say they were the best young crop of players by a distance (if a team had the best young crop of players by a distance i would expect them to win there league comfortably, not finish 2nd, and only 2 points better of than 5th).
I'm not saying wigan have a bad academy i think its one of the better ones, but its not producing the 'best young crop by a distance'.
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| Quote ="pyeman"So more than half the team were first team players/players too old for the reserves? Plus thats just one game, over the course of the year how many first teamers played?
I'm not saying winning the u121's isnt a good achievment, but because of first team players playing in the reserves its not a great indicator of how well your doing at youth level compared to the u18's, where wigan were on a par with a number of teams, so to say they were the best young crop of players by a distance (if a team had the best young crop of players by a distance i would expect them to win there league comfortably, not finish 2nd, and only 2 points better of than 5th).
I'm not saying wigan have a bad academy i think its one of the better ones, but its not producing the 'best young crop by a distance'.'"
In the final v Saints Wigan had two players over the age of 21 in the team. Only Pryce, Ainscough and Mossop had first team experience, four were still U18.
Only two clubs Leeds and Catalan don't have Wigan produced players in them, no other team can match that.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"In the final v Saints Wigan had two players over the age of 21 in the team. Only Pryce, Ainscough and Mossop had first team experience, four were still U18.
Only two clubs Leeds and Catalan don't have Wigan produced players in them, no other team can match that.'"
As i've said though thats one game, was that the case all season, did only those players get you to that final?
I would imagine must come pretty close to having a player in nearly every team, and probably have more leeds produced players in sl. The number of players playing in sl is far more important than the distribution. Whats more how many wigan youngsters couldnt get there opportunities to play and had to go to other teams to fully develop as players?.
As much as i hate to say it wakefields academy was the best this year as they topped the table and got to the grand final (and are favorites to win it).
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| Quote ="pyeman"As i've said though thats one game, was that the case all season, did only those players get you to that final?
As much as i hate to say it wakefields academy was the best this year as they topped the table and got to the grand final (and are favorites to win it).'"
Wakefield won the final today against Wigan 30-4. Whether it would have made a difference to the game who knows but remember that quite a few of the Wigan academy were playing above themselves in the reserves for most of the season, and credit must go to Wigan for not dropping them down to the academy for the final and thus giving those lads' what got them there, their chance.
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| League winners and Grand final winners, 17 games unbeaten, I have watched them all season and they could have gone up a gear if needed today.
Speaks for itself, the rest is just waffle IMO
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| Quote ="chissitt"Wakefield won the final today against Wigan 30-4. Whether it would have made a difference to the game who knows but remember that quite a few of the Wigan academy were playing above themselves in the reserves for most of the season, and credit must go to Wigan for not dropping them down to the academy for the final and thus giving those lads' what got them there, their chance.'"
They would have made a difference of course, how much we'll never know but as someone whos seen Wakey play all season you know we could have upped it to match them.
Fair play to Wigan and no doubt they have the best production line in SL.
Todays about our Academy players and Leon Walker, the rest is not important IMO.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Wakefield won the final today against Wigan 30-4. Whether it would have made a difference to the game who knows but remember that quite a few of the Wigan academy were playing above themselves in the reserves for most of the season, and credit must go to Wigan for not dropping them down to the academy for the final and thus giving those lads' what got them there, their chance.'"
Congratulations, they deserve a hell of a lot of plaudits for what they have done this year.
More importantly they've reiforced my point
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| Don't expect any plaudits from Wigan- RL youth development starts and finishes in Wigan, end off
Well done today.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"They would have made a difference of course, how much we'll never know but as someone whos seen Wakey play all season you know we could have upped it to match them.
Fair play to Wigan and no doubt they have the best production line in SL.
Todays about our Academy players and Leon Walker, the rest is not important IMO.'"
Agreed I dont think it would have made a difference who they put out we would have upped our game, perhaps it might not have been as easy as it looked, but with our individual flair and the teamwork the end result would have been the same imo.
And as you rightly say today was about the young players' and Leon the rest doesnt matter.
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Not officially confirmed.. merely a newspaper report for now.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Not officially confirmed.. merely a newspaper report for now.'"
Should be confirmed in the next few days, same newspaper that announced Leeds had signed Brett Delaney two days before it was announced officially.
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| It's very good that Wigan are developing young players. I hope they get plenty of chances next year under the new coach.
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| Brett Kearney confirmed signed for Bradford. [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/4664832.Kearney_aims_to_relaunch_career_after_signing_for_Bulls/Here.[/url
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| Both players should be playing at a higher level than Widnes in all honesty.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"It's very good that Wigan are developing young players. I hope they get plenty of chances next year under the new coach.'"
The only problem with Wigan is that they offload there good young players, its unbelievable how many ex Wigan youngsters ply there trade in SL, championship and league one. Will they keep the Tomkins brothers, Ainscough and McIlorum, of course one as just left to Australia, thats Wigans only problem, brilliant at producing players but rubbish at keeping them.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Both players should be playing at a higher level than Widnes in all honesty.'"
What, just Widnes?
Or would that be the whole of the Championship too?
Haggerty is a product of the Widnes academy anyway.
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| Quote ="Pepe"What, just Widnes?
Or would that be the whole of the Championship too?
Haggerty is a product of the Widnes academy anyway.'"
Haggerty is a SL player imo.
Widnes must of been the only club to offer him a deal in that area as he only left Quins to return home.
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| Quote ="tim791"Haggerty is a SL player imo.
Widnes must of been the only club to offer him a deal in that area as he only left Quins to return home.'"
Perhaps he may get back there with Widnes in a couple of years.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Both players should be playing at a higher level than Widnes in all honesty.'"
Your a tool.
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| Quote ="headhunter"Both players should be playing at a higher level than Widnes in all honesty.'"
I'll take that as a complement to the players and to Widnes for the sort of standard they are looking to set.
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| Quote ="barnsley bill"The only problem with Wigan is that they offload there good young players, its unbelievable how many ex Wigan youngsters ply there trade in SL, championship and league one. Will they keep the Tomkins brothers, Ainscough and McIlorum, of course one as just left to Australia, thats Wigans only problem, brilliant at producing players but rubbish at keeping them.'"
Flanagan has gone to Australia to be with his girlfriend, it was a personal decision as opposed to a business decision. The only player Wigan released who I would take back is Briscoe. At the time he was behind Radlinski and was still jsut a young lad when he went to Hull.
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| Quote ="barnsley bill"The only problem with Wigan is that they offload there good young players, its unbelievable how many ex Wigan youngsters ply there trade in SL, championship and league one.'"
So obviously not good enough for Wigan then.
You could turn the argument round and say that we are good judges of talent. We don't keep hold of average players. Of all the players that have left the club the only ones I'd take back tomorrow are Stephen Wild and Shaun Briscoe.
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| Quote ="Drachen Feuer"Flanagan has gone to Australia to be with his girlfriend, it was a personal decision as opposed to a business decision. The only player Wigan released who I would take back is Briscoe. At the time he was behind Radlinski and was still jsut a young lad when he went to Hull.'"
Wild?
I'd also have Aspinwall and Hodgson over Roberts.
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