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| Quote ="Steve Fox"According to the Crusaders website the visa problems relate to previous seasons and as such presumably have nothing to do with any "new attitude".
Whether that means that CC's 2009 overseas recruitment was above board or whether further revelations will follow remains to be seen.
"The investigation found discrepancies in the visa applications of the six players in seasons prior to 2009."'"
Interesting. I wonder how prior discrepancies lead to them being illegal now. Maybe they didn't have new visas for this season but renewed existing ones?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Interesting. I wonder how prior discrepancies lead to them being illegal now. Maybe they didn't have new visas for this season but renewed existing ones?'"
Or maybe the authorities have only just found out about it?
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| Quote ="Pepe"icon_lol.gif
I wondered how long it would take before some numpty came up with this one.'"
Roy hasnt mentioned a club, apparently only I have done that.
And last time I mentioned it I didnt name a club, just some people jumped to conclusions.
And besides, my statement earlier was factually correct, this recent debacle doesnt change that, since playing staff bear no relation to the franchise criteria.
It will however (I hope) count against them massivly in 2 years time when they next come for application, at which point the 14 best clubs will be chosen to join Super League
As happened last time.
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| Quote ="Redchemic"Well said RV. I didn't want to comment on C13's pathetic attemts of fishing. I've made my comments on the Widnes board.
C13 is a moderater and is supposed to do something about Trolls!'"
Thing is though, Code13 is a sad life no life toss pot with nothing better to do than spout e on here.
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| In all honesty not happy to hear this
As for ' conspiracy theories ' from our southern bretheren about who ratted
Maybe somebody who hasn't been offered a deal for next season would be closer and therefore more likely to know how things had been done than infering a club ' near ' w1g4n
I hope they do survive this latest blow , but hopefully the RFL will finally realise that turning a blind eye to certain clubs is counter productive to the sport
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| Quote ="GetThemScallyWags"Thing is though, Code13 is a sad life no life toss pot with nothing better to do than spout poop on here.'"
I am also right
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| Quote ="Code13"I am also right
HTH'"
Right about what? The fact that it's plain for all to see that you're pathetic waste of human life?
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| Nice, personal insults in public and by PM
I havent said a thing that hasnt been a statement of truth.
Carry on.
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| Quote ="Code13"Roy hasnt mentioned a club, apparently only I have done that.
And last time I mentioned it I didnt name a club, just some people jumped to conclusions.
And besides, my statement earlier was factually correct, this recent debacle doesnt change that, since playing staff bear no relation to the franchise criteria.
It will however (I hope) count against them massivly in 2 years time when they next come for application, at which point the 14 best clubs will be chosen to join Super League
As happened last time.'"
I never said he mentioned a club did I?
The M62 club rats on Celtic theory was funny all by itself.
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| Quote ="Code13"Nice, personal insults in public and by PM
I havent said a thing that hasnt been a statement of truth.
Carry on.'"
Thing is, you spout , you have to expect it back.
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| Quote ="Code13"Nice, personal insults in public and by PM
I havent said a thing that hasnt been a statement of truth.
Carry on.'"
It's all you're worth. Nobody gives two s about your statements. It's your sad attempts at getting us to dredge up the past which are in fact the reason why I have called you a no life toss pot, both on here and via PM.
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Fair enough Pepe.
Given the fact they were let in, played for several months and then appear to have been shopped to the UKBA, you have to wonder who shopped them
FWIW, I am thinking the other code, they have more form about this sort of thing.
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Fair enough.
Given the fact they were let in, played for several months and then appear to have been shopped to the UKBA, you have to wonder who shopped them
FWIW, I am thinking the other code, they have more form about this sort of thing.'"
The thing is it matters not a jot who shopped them.
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| Quote ="Maximus Decimus"The thing is it matters not a jot who shopped them.'"
True
Oh and btw Red Chemic, and Getthemscallywags, nothing I said was not true was it.
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| at least you lot up north can't moan about the amount of aussies we have now
in all fairness at least in the first season it gives us 2 more to fill the squad with the U18 and give them a baptism of fire
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| Quote ="Steve Fox"Or maybe the authorities have only just found out about it?'"
Clearly. But if the visas that were incorrect were no longer in force because they had newer ones, would they still be illegal residents?
I guess it might be that having had a deficient visa at any point automatically invalidates any that may follow.
Where's an expert on visa applications when you need one?
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| I suspect there is going to be a lot more fallout over this one to come, it might be that the players didnt know exactly what the situation was.
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| I am gobsmacked.
I won't go out on a limb and slate the club without knowing the full facts and hope we are not going to be kicked out of Super League as we, the fans, have loved every second even if we have taken a few pastings along the way.
I can't get my head round the fact they(well three of them) were stuck in Oz at the beginning of the season and were then cleared to come into the country. Surely it is not all the clubs wrong doing if they were held back. This must have been to investigate and they were given the go ahead to come into Britain.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Clearly. But if the visas that were incorrect were no longer in force because they had newer ones, would they still be illegal residents?
I guess it might be that having had a deficient visa at any point automatically invalidates any that may follow.'"
As I recall, to qualify for a visa this season they would have been required to have played a certain number of first team games in the past.
If those games were played when they weren't entitled to be in the country then I can't see that they could be used as qualifying criteria.
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| Red Hall has gone a bit quiet hasn't it?
I assume they are too busy putting the finishing touches to the press release which unreservedly condemns Celtic Crusaders for bringing the game into disrepute and announcing that their franchise will be transferred with immediate effect..
to Penzance Pirates..
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| Let's be honest - it's a total shambles. Given the number of issues that have surrounded CC this season I find it hard to believe their SL application was sufficiently compelling to include them. Either that or SL/RFL took a blind-eye gamble on a promise of success.
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Having briefly calmed down I found this story from the BBC.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 839695.stm
All 6 were held back whilst being investigated by the British Consulate due to tighter regulations. If they weren't allowed in then why were the VISA's granted and why were they let in. Something tells me if we are at fault it is not only us that has messed up here.
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Having briefly calmed down I found this story from the BBC.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 839695.stm
All 6 were held back whilst being investigated by the British Consulate due to tighter regulations. If they weren't allowed in then why were the VISA's granted and why were they let in. Something tells me if we are at fault it is not only us that has messed up here.
Surely they could appeal against this.
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| Regardless of whether you thought they should have got into the SL, I think the most concerning thing is that this embarasses the game, not just the club.
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| Quote ="Steve Fox":l8y9fs2dAs I recall, to qualify for a visa this season they would have been required to have played a certain number of first team games in the past.
If those games were played when they weren't entitled to be in the country then I can't see that they could be used as qualifying criteria.'" , so if this is what the problem is I will have very little sympathy as it will mean the RFL have blatantly encouraged them to gain unfair advantages for the last 2/3 years
This is what so infuriates fans of lower league clubs , the RFL being sneaky and ' clever ' to achieve what they want rather than having the balls to come out and state what they are intending to do , why they are doing it , taking the flak face to face and then moving on
It will be interesting to see what they do now , god knows what they would do if this was a traditional club , personally the problem is of their own making IMO
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