Your first sentence makes no sense but then again most of your posts dont.

On the stats Brough is ahead of Sinfield on goals, attacking kicks and 40 20s.

Brough also has in his armament something that OPTA dont keep a record which is the non attacking kicks.
Brough has turned teams around all season and forced them to have to run the ball out rom their 10 metre line on a regular basis often making the Giants 50 metres.

This is what has reduced the work of the forwards and made it easier for him.

To say that Danny Brough does not win games is ridiculous he lays the platform for everything the Giants do.

I would hope Brough is ahead on stats, Sinfield has missed plenty of matches.

Brough is way behind Chase & Dobson, who I've already mentioned, on attacking kicks. These kicks that you say aren't measured, what would you class them as & how many has he done?

So Brough does it all himself then? Produces these magical kicks that move the team downfield all by himself, thereby giving his forwards less to do which means they can work to give him more room?

He must be a magician!!

Now think back to what I said about Brough working off a platform & not being the type of half who takes the line on. Brough is ranked 39th. Chase is top & Peacock 2nd.

Now think back to where I mentioned Shaun Lunt is the one who really gets the Giants moving. He's in the top 10 for carries & has the excellent distribution left or right from the ruck for Brough & Robinson to work off.

The Giants may have won the LLS, but the arrogance levels on display would suggest they'd won 6 of the last 9 GF's!!

Brough has had a good season but isn't fit to lace Peacock's boots as a captain, leader, player or man

Did Brough use to steal your lunch money when you were kids? It's the only explanation I can come up with for ths drivel.

your a Leeds fan i get it. Choose Peacock but dont invent ridiculous arguements to try to illustrate your view.

There is not another poster on the boards who would underestimate Broughs kicking and the field position that it buys for the Giants.

Go back and watch the first game of the season Saints V Giants.

Watch the game and listen to the commentary about 15 time sin that game Saints had to run the bal back fromn inside their own 10 metre line.

Brough has done that to teams all season

You ruled out half backs by dismissing Brough (and therefore any player of his ilk) because "they didn't lay the platform". You've ultimately decided that only a forward can win.


So you're a fortune teller as well?
Or maybe you've just got a chip on your shoulder?


All-round kicking, Brough has been the best in this country. It's amusing how your argument misses out downfield kicks (you know, the ones that make loads of yards to lay a platform...)


No, I'm saying that that's not the criteria for picking the Man of Steel.


I like how you've completely backtracked on your "break the line" comment there and now it's about sucking in defenders (something that half backs NEVER do eh?). Brilliant.


Again, another ridiculous point. Surely it's easier to shine in a team of inexperienced players (you know, since you're head and shoulders above them)? But it's good to see that you think Brough shines in the best team in the league. Surely the hallmark of a MOS?


So he's definitely not up there in try assists or anything then?

Seriously, get a grip.

Tongue in cheek!! I just hope the most deserving player wins it. As you say it doesn't always follow.

Leeds fan? Nope. Sorry to kick that chair from under you lad.

I haven't underestimated Brough's value to the Giants. I've put it into conyext, with stats to back it up against all those you think he is better than.

So I've laid your stats argument to rest & you are referring to one game.

Give it up. Back your team & it's players, but don't make a fool of yourself doing it.

I quite clearly stated Brough was not the type of half who took the line on. I said he's a second phase type player who relies on a platform.

Rangi Chase isn't a forward. Look at his carry stats compared to Brough. Takes the line on and looks to make breaks.

Take the pack from in front of Brough & he's anonymous. Chase won MoS for being the type of line leading half that goes at defences.

You clearly have to make up things to try & win an argument.

I haven't missed out any kicks at all. A downfield kick isn't what lays the platform, it's the chase & first up tackle.

Brough has performed well. It is utterly facile to compare his performances to Peacock when considering the team he has had around him, to those of Peacock who has led a side missing it's main playmakers & kicker, plus several first 17 players for large parts of the season.

Honestly do those going for Brough, Hudds & Hull fans actually have any appreciation or knowledge of the game?

Don't listen to Eddie & Stevo. look at the stats, watch the players in action 7 look at the results achieved with the teams they lead.

Christ, the Brough love-in on this thread is making me nauseous.

Yet he has taken on the line many times very successfully to score or put someone through.


That's because he's playing in a one man team.


Take the pack from any half back and you'll find they'll struggle. Take the half backs from any pack and you'll see very few wins. It's a team game with different roles. Without good halves, teams don't win games. Hull had great forwards for years and won next to nothing.


You haven't missed any kicks, but then state one you missed straight away. Brilliant.
And yes it does lay a platform. The chase and first tackle will be nothing without the kick!


And again, you can't pick the MOS because one plays in an injury hit squad. It's not Brough's fault his players stayed fit!


Clearly by saying that Brough doesn't take on the line, break tackles or that good downfield kicks don't lay a platform, you haven't been watching or understand the game.

Look, you're obviously a Leeds fan, so I can understand why you'd pick Peacock. He's had a great season and is a worthy choice. But your arguments come to nothing when you trash the other player who clearly is up there as one of the best. Argue FOR Peacock, not AGAINST Brough (and if you're going to do the latter, at least don't exaggerate!)

Had Brough not thrown his toys out of his pram with regards to England selection, he wouldn’t have been so high on peoples radar and we wouldn’t be having this collective man-crush. But he is a ready made excuse for people to criticise McNamara so his performances have been elevated to something they weren’t.

Please furnish us with the facts. What happened between Brough and McNamara? Why did Brough "throw his toys out of the pram"?

Why can't you judge a performance in context? It seems entirely appropriate to do so.

I don’t know why Brough did it. He is an idiot is the most likely reason.

Listen Mr. Patronising, I and many other fans have probably been following Rugby League for far longer than you (me personally for over 60 years) so don't try teaching your grandma to suck eggs. You've got your opinion and we've got ours, live with it. The voting for MOS will not be affected by what you or we say.

Brough makes 1 clean break every 2 games. He has scored 7 tries in 27 games. Giants are 3rd on tries scored.

Got any stats on these vital kicks you say aren't recorded? Brough sits behind a pack & kicks for position, that's his game. And he kicks a few goals. Those attributes don't make him anywhere near fit to be MoS in my opinion.

Peaccock doesn't just play, he leads,inspires & gets the best out of those around him. That's why Leeds finished 3rd despite all the long term injuries. I have never seen Danny Brough produce anything that does such things. I've never seen him produce a piece of play that's lifted a crowd.

Look at what happened to Hudds when injuries hit last year, they crumbled. Where was Brough? In the pile of rubble with the rest of the team!!

Brough is up there in whose minds? Giants & a Hull fan who still love him for his goal kick at Cardiff?

Not a Leeds fan, sorry to disappoint

Well thats just rubbish. Brough has been sensational this season and has rightly recieved the accolades for it. You're now basically saying that he shouldn't be man of steel because they had a fully fit squad. Other than lead them to the league leaders shield what else could he do? Peackock has also been fantastic this season and either would be a worthy winner.

As someone on this thread said earlier, say why peacock should win, not why Brough shouldn't.

To be fair he's done both in his post.

You use the word sensational to describe Brough's performances. That's where you're going wrong. Nothing backs that claim up.

1 clean break every 2 games. 7 tries. he's top goalkicker in 2013, nothing else.

He leads his team around the park. Brough plays well, Huddersfield play well.

He doesn't lead. He is not a leader. He kicks well off the back of time & space created by those around him.

You use stats when it suits you but ignore them when they dont.

Who leads in 40 20s ?
How many penalties has Brough conceded compared to other halves

You started off comparing Brough to Sinfield yet Broughs stats are better.
Even then stats do not tell the whole story. Sinfield leads the Team, he is the captain, he calls the plays etc.
Any Leeds fan would tell you he is their most important player.

The same goes for Brough, he is the captain, he calls the plays, he decides whether to kick on the second tackle or the 6th. It is this decision making and kicking quality that determines to a large extent how the following set is played in attack and defence.

The problem with selectively choosing stats is that they do not tell the full picture. How many drop outs has Brough forced through his kicking ?

How many times has Brough being identified on the Boots n all stats pack as being the Giants most influential player


Who won the Albert Goldthorpe medal as being the most influential player


Who is in the OPTA dream team



Match reviews vs Leeds at Huddersfield



Vs Leeds at Leeds


I will not bother with your posts in the future as you clearly dont understand the game of RL.

I would like Brough to win the man of Steel but would be equally content if it was to go to Peacock or Kirmond both of whom have had great seasons both as individuals and as part of their teams.

He kicks, he runs, he passes as well as any other half in the comp. Now be quiet.

DG quote his performance reviews against Wire, if you need help on google use words like invisible and anonymous, you'll find them quicker.