well played crusaders

yes it is really that bad,

5 years ago we had 4/5 teams of real quality, the Salary cap has meant a lowering of overall quality.Clubs havent done what was needed to bring through enough quality players to mean that by sharing the talent there wasnt a large drop in quality. And where players werent brought through from academies averaged overseas players were brought in as the SC meant clubs over here couldnt compete for the very best overseas players.

The standard of SL now is nowhere near the quality it was a few years ago, the Leeds side that won the LLS and GF last year would have been embarrassed by the Leeds side that did the same in 2004.

This coupled with the changes in the interpretation regarding the PTB and the 'winning' of the collision has meant a workmanlike side can slow the ptb down to such an extent that avoiding making errors becomes enough in itself sometimes.

Gotta love the moaning of a lone bitter widnes fan. Having fun in NL1?

Yeah thanks, goodbye

Or equalling of quality, which Leeds fans etc don't like. I'd rather have league where 14 sides can beat each other than a yawnfest like football.

it has been an equalling of quality, but an equalling down rather than up.

Id rather the elite league was elite.

If that was the ONLY reason then surely every team apart from Leeds would be joint top ?

How did you manage to finish top last season as defending champions then - it's not possible!


Maybe you should start taking results on the chin instead of making excuses and going back to "any result against us doesn't matter 'cos we're champions"

A Widnes fan???!!!

Mate I couldn't even point Widnes out on a map!

Have you watched the Saints-Wigan game? The quality is there to see.

yeah did you see the amount of dropped ball? I think it was moore (though i think stevo called it as cunningham) who managed to pass the ball from dummy half into touch from about 20 yards in, I saw a defence against a Lueluai run which an under 8s team would have been embarrassed about.

A great game, exciting, but in terms of quality it was pretty poor.

Meh

Likewise, its a good thing that fixtures cannot be easily predicted and long may it last.

Well done Crusaders

Well done Crusaders.

If Leeds are true Champions (or the like) they'll bounce back.

Fantastic result great for the Crusaders and perversly great for the game as it shows on their day anyone can beat anyone.

It is impossible to compare the so called ' quality ' of games with the constant changing of the rules and the interpretation of rules we have

As for the Crusaders beating Leeds , well , it's not unusual for a team full of Aussies to win on English soil is it , they are basically Gateshead Thunders mark 2 , and could quite easily go the same way as the original

funny how you dont level the same accusations at Hull KR who are £3m in debt and have produced 1 first team player, and are looking to employ their 10th overseas player next year, despite having a dispensation for their first 3 years and this being their 5th year in SL

or Wakefield who have sold their ground, owed hundreds of thousands to the tax man, and have 10 overseas players in their squad despite this being their 11th year in SL

this is despite these two clubs having two of the most fertile amateur areas on their doorstep.

It seems strange, but totally in your character to expect higher standards of a developing expansion club than you do of heartland clubs

Funny how you dont bother with any research

Well done, wouldn't say it needs its own thread though.

my apologies, it should have said that, rather than this.

Funny how your only repost was based on a typo rather than any principle, well not really.......its kind of expected

The only reason we are top of the league is because we have won more games than anyone else.

so...he made a mistake with the number of years you've been in SL......was he correct with the rest of his post? Have HKR a bucket load of overseas players, or is that incorrect?
Pedants are only pedants when they can't find a proper response to a question.......and if you really want to be a pedant, the poster pointed out that HKR were looking to get a 10th Overseas player in 2011...which would technically be their 5th SL season........
So.......are you prepared to reply to the statement that HKR may well have 10 overseas players in their 5th SL season next year or would you rather pick up another, unrelated, inaccuracy?

ok not wanting to derial this into another bash HKR thread but...

He quoted it as if a fact, it was wrong, probably like most of the rest of the post.
HKR this year are not too different to majority of Sl clubs in regards to number of overseas players
the dispensation thing was a HDM story, there has been no official comment on it from club or RFL, till there is I will take it with a pinch of salt like all things HDM! and at the end of the day it will be the RFL's decision

anyway back to the post, well done Crusaders good to see you doing well on the field.

correct....but it was an error in the timeline/use of english........not a mathmatical error
..if so, how many overseas players to HKR have then? Easy to tar the whole post with the same brush you allude to above.......exactly how many non-english players are on the HKR books and in comparison, how many other ESL clubs have more?


...really? The Harlequins Team you hammered on Sunday is the most English team in the league....oh how ironic is that after 10 years of being called a team full of aussies


.....I'm still none the wiser....exactly how many overseas players do HKR have on their books?

.....agreed...although Quins nearly nilled leeds last year on their own patch........and come october it was business as usual for both clubs....one group of players on holiday, the others handing Saints their butts AGAIN. Well done Crusaders....I doubt you will make the 8, but you are by no means the worst team in SL....a great improvement on last year

Well done Crusaders. Not sure where all these "whinos" are people keep mentioning. As far as I can tell most people are being rather pjilosophical about this loss.