Where can I listen to the game?

From a guy at the stoop...

"Well, the RFL have offered London support and assistance until 2014 and basically guaranteed that support on all technical levels in super league like developing youth etc...chairman stressed there is no financial support"

On a potential move...

"That may be the case, also everything Quins in the shop is £10 or less including the shirts being cleared out for £5??? Maybe rebranded along with the move!"

Nob!
The full statement...
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no money...no bail out and for the time being, no move.

And I am delighted to be able to tell you tonight that the discussions with the RFL have been extremely constructive and positive and whilst difficult at times, we have agreed a partnership approach based on a range of Technical, Physical, Marketing and Financial support to help ensure the future of the game in the region.

Selective posting. You are also a knob!
No support for the club.......plenty for the development of the GAME.
How's the building going?

Hmm, my arguement is still this - why aren't these developing players going to watch their local professional team (Quins) to learn from the best in their geographical area

Don't know is the answer. They were offered free tickets in 2008 and they didn't come.....maybe it's because they have lives and playing RL one day and then watching it live the next might upset their wives, partners, kids etc....
Also, 2 players developed by the clubs system are now heading norf......rome wasn't built in a day roofs......but it did burn down pretty sharpish!
Face facts, QRL (and the Broncos before them) have single handedly blazed a trail in the SE....now it's up the games governing body to continue the work.

Well we could have started by not playing on the very day they played on.

Come on everyone. Lets cut London some slack. 4 different identities and 30 years to develop interest in the game down sarf is nowhere near enough time now is it to attract more than 2500-3000 to a game. lets judge them after 50 years at least. Some team in Super League is gonna get the boot in 10 months time. Guess this means that London have already secured a franchise based purely on where they play. i will be following the fall out with great interest.

I can help answer this, as someone very active in the London amateur game who doesn't often attend Quins.

1) They might be my local club, but they're 90 minutes away, and I doubt many amateurs in St Helens go to watch Hull every other week. Northerners just do not understand the size of London in terms of time differences. I didn't until I lived here either. Gutterfax is right that any significant growth in crowds has to come from the area around the club - Twickenham and Richmond.

2) Amateur RL is played on Saturdays. So are many Quins games. It's actually physically impossible to do both when that's the case.

3) Many southern clubs aren't even in London - Portsmouth, Hemel, St Albans, Ipswich, Hove, Swindon, Oxford etc (although I think Oxford to the Stoop is a shorter journey than Bromley to the Stoop!)

4) Friday night games are completely impossible for anyone living in my neck of the woods. There simply isn't time to get there after work.

5) Even if Quins play on Sunday, the wife makes it very clear that after leaving her with the kids all day Saturday while I ref, any attempt to centre the second day of the weekend around rugby is doomed to failure. And the kids aren't that keen to spend 3 hours travelling to watch a game they don't appreciate (yet).

I think trying to draw in the amateur clubs is a good idea in principle, but unless you can address the match times, and make it almost irresistably easy for clubs to head for the Stoop (provide coaches from their clubhouse, for example), then there'll always be limited uptake.

Is the quote I gave not just a summary of that? Don't see where you get nob from?

See Hughes said without support may have left... Leighton Samuel said the same in 2007!

So what your saying Roy is that RL wont work in London. That being the case, why continue?

I asked this question some time ago, but never got a straight answer from any of the Quins fans. Some time back the (then) London Broncos seemed to be getting reasonable gates (5k+ and I even remember 9.5k against Paris) at the Velley. There must have been some real interest in that area, so why not head back there? Alternatively look for a more working class area, as the Stoop is clearly the wrong place to be (right in the middle of RU territory) and most sane RL fans thought the same when they decided to move there.

Saints have just signed LMS.......an England International Prop...and a cockney. 15 years ago, he was 9yrs of age....he would have never played League if it weren't for the support and work done by the London clubs community and coaching teams.....and he is just the first of many London lads that will be making a name for themselves.

That's why I would continue....and that's the straight answer you were pining for

Good past. Players like Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook at junior level will get lost in the game or end up playing Rugby Union if a London based club no longer exists.



Because lots of these players live a very long distance from the stoop. Many parents or kids do not want to make such a long journy.

The london/South East areas which Quins aim to create new rugby leage players is huge!!



The RFL have to do more when it comes to media coverage of RL in the south!

is it not time the rfl now got involved with the london scholers to bring them up to scratch,surly another higher profile club in the south would lift the profile of the game there.

What is this obsession with "working class" areas. RL may have grown up thinking itself as the "working mans" game but that idea nowdays is surely holding the game back. Yes the media loves RU - could that not be because of this "class" attitutde. It is a fantastic game, superb value and a great day out as we know. The trick is convincing others of whatever "class".

spot the quins RL Fan

That's not what I'm saying at all.

What I was saying is that there are a number of reasons why those involved in the amateur game in the South-East aren't all rolling up at Twickenham every week.

That's very different from saying that it's impossible to get a crowd at the Stoop. It isn't. It just requires a strategy which focuses on people within a 30 minute journey of the club as they're the ones most likely to form a habit of going.

Also, to say RL "isn't working" in London is just nonsense. It's possible to say that Quins are not proving as successful as we'd like, but that's like saying RL isn't working in Cumbria because the top clubs aren't in SL. There's a lot more to our game than the local pro club. Someone's already raised the point about LMS, but could also have mentioned a few others. That's just the tip of the iceberg. London and SE teams contested finals of the Carnegie champion schools cup this year. My own girls side only narrowly missed out on the final after holding unbeaten Castleford High to a draw in the national festival. There are huge numbers of people in the SE of England - many more than in the M62 corridor. Many of those people are good athletes. There are certainly many more potential world class players wandering around the streets of South London than there are wandering the streets of St Helens and Wigan combined. The challenge for our game is to get them to play RL. After 30 years of graft, that is now starting to happen. In fact, I'm off to ref the U18s London selection game in 5 minutes when I finish typing this. I'll see young RL players there who are at least as good, if not better, than many of their equivalents in the North. This didn't exist 10 years ago. This is the great success story of London RL.

Quins play their role as top of the local pyramid, which is probably a more important role for RL as a game than any consideration about how well they do or don't do on the pitch as a club.

then surely we need all the clubs we have got

As for the London argument ie the club will only pull fans locally , then surely what is needed is more clubs in the south east , be they SL clubs or Championship clubs giving more people the option to see the sport at a higher than amatuer level ,

As ever the problem is funding

So the answer is ?

What its the main problems for Quins? Is it that, not enough bodiese come though the turn styles? Developing more players for RL is great, but how will this help Quins if they dont go and watch games at the Stoop?

Quins RL need to concentrate on getting families from the immediate area through the doors. Sod the RFL study that says 1,000,000 are interested in RL in the Greater London area.....stick with the 250,000 on your doorstep. And before anyone points out that Richmond and Twickenham is too middle class........within a 15 minute drive of the ground there are plenty of other areas to tap into. Feltham for example. One of the young lads we blooded this year is from feltham....why not try to get his old school(s) and their parents down....local lad makes good etc.....
Londoners are spread over a massive area......why try to get people to travel for over an hour to a home game?

The fundamental difference being knobweed that David Hughes is a rugby league man and has been funding the club for a number of years, ie he has a track record

There is a really rough estate within about 10 minutes of the Twickenham Stoop, you go past it when you approach from the South.

So nerr.

Ok fellers..easy on the roughy toughy Feltham theme ....Oh wait a minute.......I live there....and your spot on......Carry on.....