FFS

This thread pretty much sums up the parochial nature of Rugby League fans in the UK

Leeds, Wigan and Saints do a grand job of keeping these young lad coming through.

Trust us lot to make negatives out of a positive.

Its b00dy cringeworthy

Agreed.

We should be proud such great clubs produce so many talented youngsters through their academies.

Instead in turns into a "Ours are better than yours" argument every single time.

Leeds production line is better than wigans.

Oh no it isn't

I see what you did there...

Just on this point, isn't Keinhorst locked in with Germany at the moment? And has Achurch moved his allegiance over to England, I must have missed that.

As to the "my production line is better than your production line" all I can say is "whatever". None of them are good enough still, and as to which is the very best: it's hard to tell. But I'd be more worried about the gulf between the top teams that seem to be able to hoover up all the talent and the rest. Or the shockingly disparate abilities of youth teams, giving very little experience of intensity.

Dunno, i just pasted from the Leeds website and could care less who's got the most kids playing. Half, if not more, of those players won't make it anyway or at least not with Leeds but for a bit of one upmanship after the Wigan w***fest we've had to put up with throughout this thread it'll do. It does say "eligible" for England though in the article so whether or not certain players have pledged allegiance or not doesn't matter, they're eligible should they choose to.

It'll be a pretty special achievement if they manage to beat Hudds with that team but i doubt it, can see a real hammering coming.

Winning the competitons main prize 6 from 9 seasons?

It's not like they've won just a couple of grand finals. No other team has won the super league grand final more, so that's probably where it comes from.

The only reason wigans super league record is considered barron by some is because of the unrealistic abhorrant period of one off dominance which came directly before it.

When gary hetherington took over the club in 96 the club had won only 3 titles in their entire history and his mandate was to turn the club from underachievers into winners. The only way to do that is to win titles. So the club from top to bottom is structured around giving the club the best possible chance of success in october.

It's why forever more when someone mentions leeds big game prowess people will relentlessly say ''but what about the CC? what about the CC? WHAT ABOUT THE CC?'' Fact is there will always be better teams in the CC, unless the draw is incredibly kind. People will never get their head around this, but it won't change. Leeds will continue to not win the CC, and continue to be there or thereabouts on grand final night.

Of course the players and fans want to win the CC but it's placement is so close to playoff preperation that leeds are never likely to be very good at winning it because of the structures in place for grand final success. Despite all that they still manage to beat many of their rivals in the quarters and semis and make their fair share of finals.

Wigan Warriors: u19s Champions, Challenge Cup Winners & Grand Final Winners. I was getting nowhere on this thread with you pig headedness, so decided to wait until the end of the year. There can be no arguing, at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth system, the best 19s and the best senior squad in UK Rugby League. A major part in this, is Wigan's vastly superior youth system. A youth system that saw the Mighty Leeds' u19s be destroyed on 2 consecutive matches. Leeds come closest, but they're still a long way behind Wigan.

I shall make no further comment

You are still clearly and obviously wrong, even embarrasing your fellow Wigan fans with your wrongness.

Congratulations to Wigan on the fantastic season they have had.

I have to give Smokey credit, his ability to win arguments through sheer attrition is unrivaled on these boards

I liken him to a child nagging his parents for a new toy until they give in and buy him it.

What was that?

Facts are facts my friend. I will not debate opinion with you. Fact is, Wigan are #1, Senior & Junior, at least until October 2014.

and as was pointed out to you before Winning academy leagues isn’t the point of an academy. Bringing them through to SL is. Both Wigan and Leeds, as well as saints bring through good numbers of youngsters, and Leeds performances at youth level dropped off when the better academy players were moved up to senior level and they still got to the youth level GF. This is evidence of success at youth development level, not failure.

The facts are that Leeds, Saints and Wigans youth development structures are so far ahead of everyone else’s any difference between them is so small as to be inconsequential.

Yeah but we're the best yeah, so no arguments

My dad's bigger than your dad

That's true I've seen him going into Jacamo.

and on that note mr peer,i thank you very much and very well done from the widnes vikings,also the mass walk before full time should now be known as the wolf migration.12 men we only need 12 men.

Wolf migration, I like it!

Hull have Horne and formerly Cooke as home grown halfs during our most successful period of superleague. In the 2006 grand final we had 8 players who came through our ranks. 13 of the 17 that played in that final were english. We played 2 games that season where we only had one overseas player in the 17. on one of those occasions, 14 of the 16 were lads that had come through the acadamy.

It finally feels like we are trying to go down that route again.

The Warrington Waddle more like!!

I call it the Wire Wobble, goes well alongside the Saints Shuffle and the Leeds Lollop.

haha.