Are you just making it up now as you go along?

Agar, Smith, who knows, one thing was for sure he was injured and out for the season when he came that's why he never played for us, a strange signing which on the face of it never benefited Wakey.

Dom Manfredi. De-registered by Wigan in 2017 and rightly so IMO.

Was he or are you just throwing out names of injured players.

Spirit of the cap?

Up to now I have 6 instances where players have been de-registered since the rule was introduced in 2016.

Ben Harrison - Warrington (injury)
Ben Currie - Warrington (injury)
Don Manfredi - Wigan (injury)
Luke Gale - Tigers (injury)
Michael Dobson - Hull KR (quota spot)
James Segayaro - Leeds (disciplinary)

Dobson was back in 2011 (so doesn’t fit your 2016 ruling) and not for SC reasons. No evidence of Manfredi being deregusteted and he actually played in the reserves in 2017 so unlikely your correct. Currie wasn’t that’s just you guessing. Segeyaro as explained previously is again made up nonsense.

Quote ="Tigerade"Dom Manfredi. De-registered by Wigan in 2017 and rightly so IMO.'" Nope. He was ready for a recall Aug 2017 before suffering a setback. www.totalrl.com/wigan-winger-dom ... y-lay-off/

Quote ="Tigerade"Dom Manfredi. De-registered by Wigan in 2017 and rightly so IMO.'" Nope. He was ready for a recall Aug 2017 before suffering a setback. www.totalrl.com/wigan-winger-dom ... y-lay-off/

I assume that in this deal, the players wages are to be paid by the loan club (i.e. cas paying Rankins wage)? I can't see what's in it for Hudds otherwise, I know Rankin was one of the highest paid players there and I can't see them wanting to bring Wardle in for effectively the same money.

I'm not sure what Wardle was on at Cas but they are potentially increasing the wage bill if they are paying Rankin.

Wardle was very high paid at Cas. Overpaid.

And to think everying single cas fan had a pop at Wigan re the fielden signing but now it’s ok for them to cheat the cap

I think a lot of people are confusing what they think the rules/laws around the salary cap should be & what they actually are.
Salary cap relief is an option available to every team in SL, providing certain conditions are met. Cas are not getting any kind of preferential treatment; we are merely making use of an obscure/rarely used option.
I liken it to the salary cap itself. A great number of people believe the salary cap is a fixed number that cannot be broken. However, there are exemptions/dispensations such as the club trained player, player welfare, returning talent, international status, educational needs, new talent & marquee status. All of this dispensations can be used by any club, but aren’t. Equally; use of these exemptions will take a club over the “salary cap”; are they cheating? No; they are taking advantage of options available to every club should they wish to pursue them. This exemption Cas are utilising is no different.

No, people understand the rule and that dispensation can be allowed in certain circumstances, the question is whether picking up an injury in training should be one of these circumstances.

Wigan signing Feilden was blatant cheating. Cas Tigers taking Gale off the salary cap was approved by the RFL. Big difference.

And the RFL have decided on that, so what you, I or anyone else thinks, is irrelevant.

Ahh yes because no one, including from your club have (or will in the future) criticised or questioned an RFL decision.

Nowhere have I said you can’t question or criticise! You really would be better off talking to yourself; though I’m sure you’d still find an argument where there isn’t one!

People don’t seem to understand the difference between two scenarios:

One where a player plays in competitive games and gets injured either for the rest of the season, or a long period of time with a chance of returning. In both scenarios, the exemption would be unavailable because the player has played in a salary cap game, eg the Challenge Cup or Super League.

Gale is out for the season. To all intents and purposes he’s nothing more than a club employee. He may as well be sat in the Media department. He will not participate in any club game at all in 2019. Therefore, his salary shouldn’t (and rightly so for any player who doesn’t play in SL/CC that year) count on the salary cap until he can make a playing return. Otherwise you would argue that all clubs should be counting all reserves and academy players outside the top 25 on the cap too because they are being paid by the club.

The only way that Gale could return this season to account for his salary is if they make and clear the appropriate space to accommodate his salary. Given his injury is likely to be 6 months plus 2 months rehab for a pre-existing injury to his knee last year, it takes us to September. It’s unlikely Cas will risk him returning with no match fitness and preseason and 12 months spent on the sideline, and even then we would have to be both in the top 5 and playoffs for him to have a chance, albeit pointless.

Therefore in the same vein you wouldn’t count a signing for 2020 in 2019, Gale’s salary shouldn’t count. Not only does it put any club, not just Cas, at a disadvantage by having money tied up in a player who can’t do anything, it also means that the clubs do not have the flexibility to be able to get cover in should further injuries occur during the season. Even if they did, it’s likely the exemption would be granted anyway so what’s the difference?

For those suggesting Gale shouldn’t still count because he’s still employed, wow. Where’s the moral compass? Cas should terminate his contract to get rid of his salary? The bloke has just suffered a serious injury that could potentially not only affect this season but jeopardise his entire career. He has a family and mortgage to pay just like the majority of us on here. You get sick pay when you are ill from work. Cas should do the right thing by their employee and that is stick by him and support him both financially and mentally.

We aren’t having an advantage over any other club. We are still spending the same salary cap on players who can play as any other club, and can only pay the same amount as others. Gale’s salary is nothing more than an off-field salary now until he is ready to return, which probably be January 2020.

Personally I see no issue with exemptions for season-long injuries providing they are season-long and occur in pre-season. Those that happen in season have still contributed to the club’s season, even if it happens in the first game. That’s unfortunate but they have still played. This is more than likely come out in the wash because of the high profile nature and speculation, and because Cas have confirmed it. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that no other club hasn’t ever used such exemptions in the past and even it would be their choice not to exercise it.

Cas have clearly justified sufficiently that Gale will play no part through medical evidence and with specific rules about any return too placed on them.

nobody's blaming cas. the rules there.
the fact is most think it's a bad rule. what's the point of a cap if you can spend more due to an injury

But that’s the point - we aren’t spending *more* because he isn’t playing.

We are keeping to the same cap with everyone else, we just can’t use Gale this season at all unless we clear the appropriate space first.

Do you think he’ll be sat at home all year though? You’ll still have a MOS winner attending training and matches giving advice and tips to your other HB’s especially young Trueman. In that way he can still have a significant impact on your season.

What’s the point of a cap when you can spend more on a marquee player?

He could do that anyway regardless of circumstances. Do you think Kevin Sinfield isn’t giving advice to Lolohea? Should Sinfield count on the salary cap too for giving advice?

No but their’s a significant difference between someone that you’re paying with the sole intention of him being a player. Cas fans are coming out with some ridiculous ideas of what is comparable to try and justify this, kind of just highlights the problem with this doesn’t it.

Not really. It’s the other way round. Fans of other clubs are making ridiculous comparisons or arguments to somehow make it out to be some kind of scandal when it isn’t.

Based on what you are saying, Cas could say to him, we will pay you the same wage and offer you a coaching role for the season. Essentially that would take him off the cap and he wouldn’t be a player. What’s the difference?

Your arguments hold no water. Rugby players are his mates. I’m sure if Trueman asks for advice after his retirement, he isn’t going to say no is he?

As I’ve said in my original post, I’m wholly supportive of any club using the exemption. It would be insane to put anyone on the cap who is going to be ineligible in any game during that season.