I have a predicted run of results that puts Salford on 14, TO & HKR on 10, Leeds on 8 and Toulouse & London on 6.

I say "predicted", more a wish list.

I tried to engineer Leeds being away in the MPG, but that was TOO fanciful.

Salford v Leeds is Leeds CC Final/Grand Final this year...... They need to win it to avoid potentially 2 weeks of jeapordy. They beat Salford and they're safe......and Toronto will host London.....they lose then it will be twitchy bum time

.... that bring no benefit to the code.....

Why are you derailing the topic???
Stop trying to distract from the truth and act responsibly.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say Toronto will blow it. London and Toulouse are my front runners for the MPG at the moment with London just sneaking it.

I think Toronto v London in the MPG, but a lot could depend on how much Salford put into their game against Tolouse, given that I think they will be already safe by then.

Before the m8s started I wondered if Toronto might choke. London and Toulouse have both beaten an SL team (Widnes). To get a chance of promotion they must beat either Leeds or Widnes.

Even with Leeds' issues, I can't see Toronto winning that one. If Widnes beat 'fax next weekend it might just give them a bit of a boost ahead of going to Canada.

Basically, Toronto will not get automatic promotion and may still miss out on the MPG.

London is a massive game for us at home next week and if we ease off like we did against Halifax, London have just enough to get one over on us. Points difference is important in such a short league but winning by any margin is more important. Looking at whats left, a minimum of 9 points will get you into the top 3.

Oh goody, another one.

Just to put it out there, it may well be that the MPG becomes irrelevant as there is every chance of a change to the league structure, which may well see SL expanded to 14 clubs, which will ensure the safety of Leeds

and allow London, Tolouse and Toronto to replace Widnes.
Tbf, this would give everyone the chance to see just what benefits there may be in having a North American side in SL as well as potentially boosting the game in France, which seems pretty sensible.
I dont know how this may or may not affect Sky funding etc but, it would be the right thing for the game.
THis could also ensure that Bradford and York make it into the Championship although, this would further infuriate the Leigh and Fev fans, who may think that their clubs have missed out.

We have missed out under the current structure that's in place now. We only have ourselves to blame for that,despite what the new structure will be.

To be honest I can see the MPG being between Toronto & London, with London taking the win.

As has been mentioned earlier if Salford beat Leeds then there is no guarantee they won't find themselves in 4th.

I'd like them to expand SL to 14 for the reasons you mention, but believe we are looking at:

SL - 12 teams, 5 team play offs, 1 up 1 down
Championship - 14 teams, 1 up 1 down
League 1 - 12 teams. 3 up 1 down this season, then 1 up 1 down thereafter.

IF we are to have a change in format, ultimately with the aim of accommodating Toronto and Toulouse, then, lets stop
chuffing about and get them into the top flight. It's imperative that we find out whether the inclusion of Toronto is practical and beneficial to the sport before we start thinking any additional N. American clubs.
They (Toronto) should be promoted and then protected from relegation for 2/3 seasons and lets see if it's a good idea.
Personally, I'm still not convinced, although they should be applauded for their efforts in getting as far as they have in such a short space of time. However, until the "model" is proven, we know nothing and we need to know whether they (and others) would be viable in SL before getting too much further down the track.
I really dont see the benefit in waiting another 1,2,3 seasons to find out whether it works.

SL isn't going to expand to 14 as that would mean less money per club for at least the next 2 years. And that just ain't going to happen.

I don't see this happening if it means that the existing SL clubs receive a smaller slice of the cake. Some big losses being posted again by some of the clubs, many of whom are already petitioning for smaller rations for their championship and league 1 counterparts. The only way it might happen is as a sweetener if extra votes are needed to move along this reform process. Otherwise, forget it. Leeds will get back up ok, should we be relegated (not an impossibility).

In the brave new world of expansion and with the possibility of a further French side and Canadian side, plus London, surely, we should be talking to Sky and telling them of the benefits of broadcasting such a diverse and exciting competition.
The would open the top draw, pull out the cheque book and ask "how much", if not, we are wasting our time in expanding the game ??
If, by having these clubs in the comp, there is no more "draw" than there is now, who has been kidding who ?

To listen to some people on here, it would be akin to bringing Christmas forward so, apart from the Turkeys, everyone's a winner.

I believe that we should plan for the next TV deal in 2022 by going to 14 clubs in 2022, with Toronto, Toulouse and London, and possibly New York, in the roster, and protected by the restoration of licensing. That should ensure a bigger UK TV contract in 2022, and the possibility of separate French and north American TV contracts.

I have no doubt that Salford will have folded as a Super League club by 2020, or 2021 at the latest, thereby creating the space for all the above mentioned expansion clubs

Oh yeah I agree, what I said above is what I believe we will be getting, based on talking to people in various positions within the game, not what I'd personally like to see happen.

Yeah, right.

You can’t protect one team from relegation, that’s just unfair. You have to protect all teams from relegation if you want to help one club develop.

Imagine Wigan or Leeds getting relegated even with finishing above Toronto...

That mean no promotion and relegation, end it, closed shop unless you show you’re a SL club worthy of adding to the competition.

My post was somewhat tongue in cheek.
However, if the further expansion into France and into N.America aren't going to help the game as a whole, what is the point ?
You would think that IF Toulouse could establish themselves as a SL side, it would help the French National side, which has gone backwards at a rate of knots since SL began.
Toronto, expensive gimmick or, genuine attempt to spread RL into N. America ?

As a London fan...... Only if we finish in the top 3 or win the MPG thanks..... Otherwise we're fine as we are for now. We've been there and done that and I have loads of shirts to prove it, but without a new ownership model...... I don't see the point of going back to 3k gates and reliance on one man

Not at all , we weren't good enough to make the 4 , so don't deserve anything

Of course you can. Catalans were given protection from relegation and have become one of Super League’s strongest clubs.

However i do believe it’d be better if all 14 Super League clubs were given protection from relegation.

Bradford used to be one of the “Big 4”. They were then relegated from Super League and then the Championship. Why not anyone else?

More inane drivel....
39 wins from 92 regular season games 2015/2018. 42% win ratio
9 wins from 25 games in the 8's 2015/2018. 36% win ratio

....catalan are not one of the stronger SL Clubs in terms of performance on or off the field...they are average at best.