How have I twisted your words, I have reprinted what you typed word for word.

Not bitter about the hit, disappointed that you cannot tell the difference between foul play and fair play.

Grown up discussion? You are far beneath my intellect for such a thing.

People dwell on talking points, unfortunately the dodgy Samoan tackling was a big talking point!

But the dodgy tackling stems from weak reffing, so surely that is the bigger talking point?

Seen it, and yet people still box knowing things like that happen. It's like they have weighed up pros and cons of what they want to do and make an adult decision.... Amazing

Yed,

Everyone has picked up on perenara being rubbish and I think if he would have sanctioned properly when the second late hit came in he would have nipped it in the bud but he didn't. But at the same time it doesn't excuse the Samoans for what they did and I agree with the recent post about the second half, they were just as physical but no foul play. If they would have tackled like that in the first half this entire thread would have been about how great the game was but because of their ill discipline in the first half we aren't talking about a superb second half of rugby.

I played, I picked up shoulder, knee, head, jaw, rib and finger injuries. I stopped playing when it interfered with my work. You know the score and you make a judgement call.

you got the chance to make the call though. I have had other injuries caused by RL but the one that made the decision for me was done by foul play. Would love to have played on but didn't get the chance.

Using 132 minutes of fiction to justify your stance.

Priceless

Yep, we can moan some more about the ref as well if you like...

The point is, other people are taking the decision out of other peoples hands as to when they give up the game. Anybody should be able to pack in when they choose, not when some cheap shot merchant wants to shake his cock. I can't even manage a slow jog any more after 8 knee ops due a cheap shot. I can't even have a gentle kick about with my son just because somebody wanted to be the man.

I thought you were on a higher intellect Mr. Hawking ??? Leave us with lower IQs to converse by ourselves we can't keep up with you.

On some days I am actually in pain putting my feckin socks on. If that would have been a cumulative effect of knocks from playing I would have no problems with it, it would have been my call. But as Red Chemic says, someone (who Cas till I die seems to admire as some kind of enforcer) decided to be a pr1ck and that was that for me.

Point being, when you decided to play RL did you think that the sport had no cheap shot merchants ??? I'm not trying to be derogatory btw I'm just asking ....

Seems you may be right as your reply doesn't make sense in relation to my retort

Touché

Where did I say that ??? In fact a few posts back didn't I say that w@nkers like that exist in every aspect of life ??? I thought someone of high intellect such as yourself would have picked up on that .... Or maybe you were twisting words again.

So what you are say is,

It's a man's game played by men. Expect that you may get injuries by the fact that it is such a physical game, if you choose to play it, and you should also expect that bell ends will attempt to create injuries to your body, through foul play that will last till the end of your time.

I think I understand you now. You will be/will have been one of those type of players. Am I right?

I am not twisting your words I am interpreting your refusal to accept foul play as acceptance that it should be allowed to happen (which you have done since this thread started). Therefore you must admire the type of player that commits foul play (as per your lack of condemnation for the Samoan players and their first half thuggery).

No word twisting there, just an understanding of your views on this.

if I am wrong prove it to me, condemn the foul play from the Samoans in the first half rather than saying that it was fine because the receiving players may have themselves done something similar in the past (which you did say about Bosc).

No my point is......

I don't want to see players sent off unless clear cut... deal with them afterwards

If you play RL you know the consequence, your opening yourself up to cheap shots and head high tackles same as whatever you decide in life has a consequence

I am in no way saying cheap shots are right or good just that they are part of the game and always will be, if you don't like it don't play

All simple enough and dumbed down so those of us less intellectual than you can understand.

You were doing so well then until the last line. I remember earlier in this thread you picked me up for a personal attack.

You seriously believe that nothing should be done until after a match? What happens if someone stamps on another players face? On report?

What about Morley hitting the Aussie in the head in the Ashes series a few years back, send him off or on report?

Foul play should be dealt with at the time. If you transgress it should be dealt with then. If Bosc and his number seven were walking wounded they are out of the game. Without half backs who directs the team around the pitch? I once witnessed a thug in the under 17's in Hull actually, as third man in an already completed tackle lead with the elbow into the face of the tackled player. The tackled player did not get up, the coward did, smirking about his "hit". Should he have been put on report or dismissed from the field of play? BTW, I informed the referee at half time as I have never witnessed such an act of thuggery on a rugby field but the ref was powerless to act as he had missed the incident.

Foul play has to be dealt with at the time, the deterrent of 10 minutes or a red card should be enforced, otherwise what is the point of them?

If that was the case, nobody would play any type of contact sport - you are trying to over simplify things to suit your agenda.

I don't mind a slap across the chops when you're facing the defence (I've given them out when opposing teams are getting on top as well as taking them), a good bellringer or the hands in the face so much. It's the hits when you are in no place to defend yourself that have no excuses in any sport.

Stop it with the insults folks sure we're all better than that.

Nobody who plays rugby league, particularly at the highest level, can be considered a coward.

And what might be considered a ' cheap shot' might be a mistimed or poorly executed tackle.

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Again some of the Samoa shots were bad but didn't deserve a red card.

The last line wasn't an insult it was more tongue I n cheek regarding your boast about being of higher intellect. A head stamp is something I'd say was clear cut as was Morley in the ashes, I know the lines of what's clear cut could be blurry but IMHO nothing Samoa did tonight was clear cut (the nearest being the hit on the back when the ball had gone which if have sent him to the bin for)

And I actually agree with you that a red card wasn't needed for the vast majority of them (only the idiot joining St Helens when he did the blindside hit was one which I would have said truly crossed the line, even more so than the tip tackle) but the second at least should have been a yellow, at which point the third one wouldn't have happened as that would have then have been a red.

But there is no way you can say put them all on report or you get the situation of the first half where foul play was in effect going unpunished (yes, after the game it will be, but that isn't the point. If I commit such foul play and am then kept on the pitch I am only being punished at the time to holding down or to a 2 on 1 steal, just a penalty. What does that say to me? It means I can slam someone illegally and all I have to do is defend 20 yards nearer my goal. Sure I may miss the next game but I got him a cracker, look he hasn't moved in the last five minutes and the physio is calling for a stretcher. Owned!!!!!

You see the danger of not dealing with foul play, there are no sanctions so it is suddenly allowed to happen. Now consider the coach with the 25 man squad who wants the number 6 taken out in the next game. "Don't worry son, you will get to stay on the pitch, pick up a two match ban but you will have done your job and I will have you straight back in the seventeen for the game after. That little git who plays six however will not be troubling us today"

Foul play has to be dealt with at the time, it really is black and white but cowardice amongst officials is seeing us suffer as a sport.