Well, I'm glad you're not in charge at Salford.

Noble was certainly not the man to take Salford forward. From signings to training, his time away from the game showed. I like him as a bloke, and I think he knows the psychological side of the game well, but that's it these days. The jury is still out on Harris as he's not had a full pre-season yet. However, in the short time he's been at Salford he immediately identified the weakness in the team and remedied it straight away. He brought in better structures, training, and attitude and managed to improve the teams fitness during the middle of a season. Something that he shouldn't have had to do. Barring a few performances, and a handful of games where the team was still adapting I've seen a large improvement in Attack, defense, attitude, and workrate. Our performances have, on the whole, been better and the players that were languishing under Noble have been like different players under Harris. You only have to look at what Noble did with Sneyd. Thought he wasn't good enough. Enough said.

As for DrK, well I'm with bewareshadows post above yours. As Salford fans we feel the same as everyone else. He needs to reel-in his over-enthusiasm a bit and direct it more positively, but it's his toy to play with, and I don't see him changing. This, of course, is a double-edged sword for Salford.

I'm sorry. I'll see if I can undelete the drubbing Wakefield of all people administered to you and if I missed your better structures, attitude, fitness etc. which I must have done, I'll be sure to come back and agree with you.


I have no problems with Koukash, in the sense that it is indeed his money, and he's choosing to spend it on TGG. It is indeed his toy to play with. But he has made huge mistakes, and IMHO Harris for Noble was one of them. Still think you now have the makings of a competitive squad -whoever is coaching it - but only time can blend it into a proper team, and I hope Koukash realises for your sake that some stability is a key ingredient. Oh, and that chairmen giving public beratings never ends well.

"if I missed your better structures, attitude, fitness etc. which I must have done, I'll be sure to come back and agree with you."

good : watch AGAIN the match on Sky v Leeds or try to get any other match bar Wakefield (agree: poor) or Wigan (team affected by a virus).
That's if you can bother admitting you are wrong.
Only one fan I've spoken to does not feel that serious improvements have come with harris' appointment.
Noble was good at Bradford.

Neither of us can be right or wrong, as neither of us can ever know "what if". It's just an opinion. Even your opinion that Noble was good at Bradford. Start a thread and half the replies will tell you you're an idiot, he's rubbish, he had no Plan B, anybody could have coached that team, they were boring, the style was rubbish, etc. etc.

I've seen the televised games and my point re the Wakey match was that both Salford seem to have gone very much downhill, and that in his comments and demeanour afterwards, Harris was very unimpressive.

Your problem with any "recent improvements" is that however neither of us can say whether similar or better improvements may have been brought about by Noble if not sacked.

What I can say is that getting a shellacking against a poor Wakey side is Harris's most recent achievement, and you have to make excuses for that performance to make your point. I recall that Noble's last game in charge was in many respects your best performance of the year. But hey, it could all just be coincidences!

I only read the title of the thread and a cold shiver ran down my back

Of course, all teams should be judged on one particular performance. Bell-end.

If that's the sum total of your logic, then it doesn't matter what I write here. Your opinion is obviously more valid than someone who watches Salford all the time. It's funny, in that I wouldn't dream of going on another Club's forum or the VT and make obviously ill-judged, illogical assumptions based on little to no evidence. I'd have to be an arrogant of the highest order, or numb as a -stone. Yet it never ceases to amaze me how many RL Legends-in-their-own-lunchtime seem to think that their opinion based on nothing will be received with open arms.

Eh, you can't beat intelligent and civilised debate! Run along now, and come back when you've grown up and grown out of responding to a post about rugby league with puerile abuse, you total embarrassment.

He reminds me of Cellinio at Leeds Utd - other than picking the team and giving a half time talk to the players....oh - wait a minute.

I don't bother reading his mad ramblings any more - it's clear that he knows naff all about the game and will say whatever is on his mind without fully understanding what it is he's talking about. He's a one trick pony who needs a new trick, and fast; as it is, despite his immeasurable wealth, he's becoming a joke.

Bit strange coming from a Wakefield follower about knowing 'naff all about the game'.You lot didn't rate Richard Agar but those running Warrington do - as does your chairman and Mr Carter said some very good things about him.

The Salford one-trick pony has been brilliant,again.Another defeat and he takes the focus.Announces a couple of signings.Hock has assisted and the below-par performance forgotten about while the hard work goes on in the background.

It's usually the Cas lot who fall for it.



Check back after every defeat.There's been a few.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

The quality of reply is directly related to the quality of post it's directed at.

If you want civilized debate, you're better off writing something that resembles thought-out and sensible opinion. What you did, was give an opinion based off little knowledge of the subject and based your whole argument on judging a team, it's players, and staff on one performance. Which most sensible people would think to be an ill-informed judgement. As a Salford fan I can see the difference Harris has made in a short time. I can see this because I watch them every week and you don't. So on the basis of evidence, I'm supposed to concede that a one-off opinion like yours is somehow equally valid? When it clearly isn't.

So, you've made a spurious claim, I've responded as to why it's spurious, your counter-argument? Jumping on the form of language used as a way to avoid trying to show how your original point has merit...

...And you call me an embarrassment?

No, you're not getting away with that. The perceived quality of any response is no excuse for descending into abuse.


You misunderstand. My preference is for civilized debate but I don't care what you do. If you post abuse like a puerile halfwit* I can point it out, but if that's the best you do, and it makes you feel clever, hey, crack on! really, I don't care.


A poor straw man, but I also think it's ridiculous to suggest that any post needs to contain a full historical dissection of the team's and individuals' history and record. Don't you?


Then here's a tip: you might in such a case say - for example - "That is an ill-informed judgment, because..." It works quite well.


You aren't supposed to do anything. The only issue we have now focused on seems to be whether you are capable of articulating any response coherently, or whether you choose to descend to abuse.





Very funny! But to remind you, you wrote:

[size=85=#BF0000* "puerile halfwit" - this used above is not abuse, but my accurate assessment that the abuse The Butcher used in the above quotation is, objectively, language "like a puerile halfwit".[/size


I'd be embarrassed if I'd posted that, but vulgar abuse is not, and never will be, a "counter-argument", nor is it conducive to one. It just shows you up.

Quiet morning in FA's office then, not much to do?

Coffee and maple syrup crunchy biscuits time!

It's not clear to most Salford fans. Most will say that Noble had little to bring to the table in respect to training, strategy, and motivation. His techniques had not changed since his Bradford days even though SL has moved on.



That's a fair assessment from afar, but you're assuming that you know exactly what MK requires from Harris. Which you don't.



While I agree that time plays a large factor in building for the long term, MK had little option but to bring in the best that was available at the time. The team we had at the time was a bolted together mix of youngsters and what was left. You wouldn't expect him to sit on his wallet and declare his patience to let things see themselves out over time. Regardless, it was pretty clear to Salford fans that Noble's negative style of play and over-reliance on slow has-beens was costing us games. The players themselves raised concerns over the quality of training under Noble, and MK had to make the change. Like I said previously, Harris has made vast improvements at the Club in a short time. Most of them behind the scenes, away from opposition fans beady eyes. As for on the pitch, time will be crucial for him, along with a full pre-season.



Noble would never in a million years have done it. His training wasn't up to it, his man-management was poor, his decision to let youngsters go (Either on loans or out completely) have come back to haunt us. He'd lost the dressing room and it showed on the pitch. Whether Harris is the man for the job, we'll see over the next 12 months.

Your opinion differs from the majority of Salford fans who watch the team week in and out, and while your opinion is valid in so much as it's yours to give. I'd suggest that listening to others whose opinion is solely evidence based will help you in in progressing and re-evaluating.

FA at his quotebusting best!

I doubt if Marwan himself really knows. Would be interesting to know how it was that most fans were then privy to Nobles' training methods, strategy and motivational techniques. I wouldn't claim to have been privy to any such during the years he coached Bradford. Do all Salford fans have a daily 2 hour video briefing, or something?


I disagree, there is no reason a man of his stature experience and knowledge couldn't do it. Also, if there for any lngth of time, I don't seee Nobby as being so stupid that he wouldn't notice for himself if given things weren't working.


If OTOH he had lost the dressing room, then that WOULD be a reason he would have to go. That is the one thing a coach can't fix, once it's broke. I would accept that. is it just rumours, or has any player actually confirmed that?


If he gets 12 months.


All fair points, except that I'd say the vast majority of fans' opinions are hardly "evidence based", they are for the most part not much more than personal prejudices and impressions. It's why if you put a dozen fans in a room after a game you will get a dozen often wildly different accounts of the "evidence" they just witnessed. To counter this I'd suggest that sometimes fans who are deeply involved with their team can't see things necessarily as clearly as an independent outside observer.

And you're independent FA? Not an embittered supporter of a once great club now destined for the lower reaches?
Might there just be a touch of schadenfreude in your attitude to Dr K & Salford?

oh, ffs, instead of playing out a boring version of he says, she says, he thinks, she thinks and johnson measuring.... why doesn'y FA just have a private convo with The Butcher

Marwan is a liability to himself and nobody will ever know what is going on inside his head, but to clarify on one fact only... "Brian Noble, although a very respected and previously successful coach with Bradford, was absolutely shocking as a coach during his time at Salford, regardless if Marwan was interfering or not"

All valid points, FA. We could agree to disagree on the minutiae and make-up of what exactly constitutes 'evidence' and we could back-and-forth all day with examples, but I fear the natives are getting restless and our nit-picking is boring quite a few. I can see when a topic is waning so wont prolong everyone else's misery!

I think we're both on the same page, but looking from different angles. Plus we're, between us, going for the RLFans quotation record.

It's been fun!

Onto the next subject...

Have to pull you up on this. Don't know if you have seen the full game from last week but we were anything but poor last weekend. We played some exceptional rugby league at times and I think any Salford fan that was there would agree with that, notwithstanding that Salford certainly didn't hit the heights of previous weeks.

As far as Salford is concerned, I'm somewhere between independent and biased with a soft spot for them, having had some fine times at The Willows. I supported Bradford from 1964 so you needn't tell me about Shiit Street, been there, done that.

I quite like the Doc, he's good for the game, and whatever bollox he may drop he and his money must be good for Salford. I would never have any schadenfreude against any rugby league club, quite the opposite, but if I did, it could hardly apply to Salford, now could it, be sensible, they are in the strongest position they have been for many a long year, and nobody could have predicted that, what's there to be schadenfreude about that?

And my only bitter is Timothy Taylor's.

Well, that would be because this is a public forum, and he can do what he likes. If you find it boring, here's a tip: don't read it.


I suggest his bank manager may disagree

I concur.