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| Quote ="j.c"When your a sl club with a fan base of 2k ,you need to do something to try and convince people you mean business.'"
So before the game at a club that have just surrendered a 16 points lead - despite having an experienced Super League coach,who is now a national coach - you sack the head coach for an interim coach to take charge of players who since 2012 won't know if they are punched,bored or countersunk.
It's certainly mean business.
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Quote I heard Koukash's comments as reported here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21642083 as they happened, but didn't catch Vievers' remarks. If that's accurate and Koukash is serious, I give Vievers until Monday lunchtime.'"
Damn, I was out by 24 hours.
Stop whining - best thing to happen to this game in ages, someone ready to rattle cages. Probably harsh on poor Phil Vievers TBH, but he'll be fine. Dr. K ain't going to get this job done by pussyfooting around.
Exactly the kind of dynamism we need. Good stuff.
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Quote I heard Koukash's comments as reported here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/21642083 as they happened, but didn't catch Vievers' remarks. If that's accurate and Koukash is serious, I give Vievers until Monday lunchtime.'"
Damn, I was out by 24 hours.
Stop whining - best thing to happen to this game in ages, someone ready to rattle cages. Probably harsh on poor Phil Vievers TBH, but he'll be fine. Dr. K ain't going to get this job done by pussyfooting around.
Exactly the kind of dynamism we need. Good stuff.
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| Salford need a club builder, someone with a proven track record at taking clubs on and improving them in every area. I've seen McClennan's name mentioned - god help them if that's the case. Tim Sheens would probably be OK if they can wait. Noble would be a safe pair of hands with a first team squad of journeymen but isn't the man to do what I think needs to be done.
To me, if he is interested, Brian Smith is the best candidate available. He's presently working part time with some inconsequential Aussie Rah Rah outfit so the only question is if he wants to come back to the UK.
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"Exactly my thoughts. Interim coach til the end of the season then sheens will come in, the entire salford squad will be released and sheens will be allowed to recruit who he wants at any cost. Plus there are literally hundreds of quality players who have conacts expiring at the end of this season, both here and in the NRL.....and money talks....whatever language you speak.....boot payment anyone....'"
Money talks and the salary cap speaks louder, I don't think you can develop a successful club with recruits alone, cheaper players who come through the academy mixed with the odd quality recruit seems to be a winning formula in this league.
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| I should add there may be a limiting factor in Graham Lowe who has one of the longest enemies lists in Rugby League. Brian Smith is the kind of person I can imagine is on it.
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| Ellery Hanley worth a punt? Would tie in with the good doc's apparent eagerness to attract big names,
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| Quote ="Wheels"If thats the case why not just keep Veivers until the end of the season?'"
For me, because it sends a message out to everyone else at the club about who's in charge, and how you're going to have to do something special to be in a job by the end of the year. Vievers may well be a scapegoat and I feel sorry for the guy, but its an occupational hazard of sports ( that he probably accepts ).
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| Reality is if mr moneybags is going to attract top players to jump ship then they need a big money coach to attract them. Shame for veivers given what he put up with in the offseason but no room for sentiment in business.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Money talks and the salary cap speaks louder, I don't think you can develop a successful club with recruits alone, cheaper players who come through the academy mixed with the odd quality recruit seems to be a winning formula in this league.'"
Koukash will get the cap rules changed, just watch. Not by himself, but he'll get enough people on side to make it happen (and not before time). Money and success changes minds.
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Vievers is First Coaching Casualty of 2013Salford City Reds have parted company with coach Phil Veivers just five games into a season which has seen them with just a single win. New millionaire owner Dr Marwan Koukash was furious after Salford's capitulation to London Broncos on Friday night and made it clear that no-one would be safe from his ambitious plans for a Red future.
Veivers follows director of football Steve Simms, and commercial director Tina Wilkinson, who left the club earlier and he has been replaced by Alan Hunte, in a caretaker role ahead of next weekend's match at Wakefield Wildcats.
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Vievers is First Coaching Casualty of 2013Salford City Reds have parted company with coach Phil Veivers just five games into a season which has seen them with just a single win. New millionaire owner Dr Marwan Koukash was furious after Salford's capitulation to London Broncos on Friday night and made it clear that no-one would be safe from his ambitious plans for a Red future.
Veivers follows director of football Steve Simms, and commercial director Tina Wilkinson, who left the club earlier and he has been replaced by Alan Hunte, in a caretaker role ahead of next weekend's match at Wakefield Wildcats.
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| Koukash has a mish-mash of a team with no discernible talent.
Bringing in Brian Smith will ensure a 1st year preseason house-cleaning followed by a rapid rise up the table (though never a grand final victory) followed by a multi-year collapse of fortunes as his abrasive personality causes a decline in morale among many talented players. That is his record at Parramatta Eels, Newcastle Knights and Eastern Suburbs (Sydney) Roosters. Smith is the reason why Danny Buderus left Newcastle for Leeds, and only returned after Smith had left. Smith is the reason why Mitchell Pearce was fielding offers from other clubs before Smith was sacked. (Pearce just recently resigned for the Roosters).
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| Get Smith in for 1 year and he'd turn the club around.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Koukash has a mish-mash of a team with no discernible talent.
Bringing in Brian Smith will ensure a 1st year preseason house-cleaning followed by a rapid rise up the table (though never a grand final victory) followed by a multi-year collapse of fortunes as his abrasive personality causes a decline in morale among many talented players. That is his record at Parramatta Eels, Newcastle Knights and Eastern Suburbs (Sydney) Roosters. Smith is the reason why Danny Buderus left Newcastle for Leeds, and only returned after Smith had left. Smith is the reason why Mitchell Pearce was fielding offers from other clubs before Smith was sacked. (Pearce just recently resigned for the Roosters).
Brian Smith is a one year near wonder and a long term disaster.'"
Mishmash of a team? You are joking arnt you? Ed Farish, Graham Lowe and Andrew chalmers isn't a mishmash team.
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| Unless your talking about the players then yea your right.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"Koukash will get the cap rules changed, just watch. Not by himself, but he'll get enough people on side to make it happen '" Can you name seven other club owners/CEOs who will ally with him to vote it through? Possibly Leneghan and Moran. Then...? Perhaps you'd get other clubs with aspiring owners like Bradford or Wakefield but a majority of the clubs is a push, no matter how what you think of Koukash's persuasive abilities.
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| Quote ="MjM"Can you name seven other club owners/CEOs who will ally with him to vote it through? Possibly Leneghan and Moran. Then...? Perhaps you'd get other clubs with aspiring owners like Bradford or Wakefield but a majority of the clubs is a push, no matter how what you think of Koukash's persuasive abilities.'"
Ian Lenagan, Simon Moran, Eamon McManus, Gary Hetherington, David Hughes, Adam Pearson, Bradford owners!
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"What about Daniel Anderson?'"
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| Bradford might have a few stipulations before we vote. Like, our share of the Sky money for a start!
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| For some reason the Twittersphere is going nuts for Bobby Goulding. Seems to be more that people are fond of him than for any actual genuine reason. And the fact Bobby is retweeting every positive comment he receives.
Yes, nice bloke and a cracking player but never the man to rebuild a SL side and take them to the top in a million years.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Ian Lenagan, Simon Moran, Eamon McManus, Gary Hetherington, David Hughes, Adam Pearson, Bradford owners!
That makes 7.'" I have my doubts about McManus and Hughes, their clubs lose enough money as it is although I suppose a few hundred thousand more down the drain is immaterial. Leeds would definitely vote against.
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| Quote ="Cronus"For some reason the Twittersphere is going nuts for Bobby Goulding. Seems to be more that people are fond of him than for any actual genuine reason. And the fact Bobby is retweeting every positive comment he receives.
Yes, nice bloke and a cracking player but never the man to rebuild a SL side and take them to the top in a million years.'" I can't see any problems with a coaching team of Goulding and Long? They could bring in Garry Schofield too.
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| As Brad Pitt would say.....'inevitable'
As soon as he was putting bids in for some of SL's best players like Tomkins and Morley (even if the chances were slim) then it was obvious he would be looking for a top coach too.
Would I be right in thinking that their isn't a limit (unlike a squad) to how much salary you can pay a coach? This could see him succeed were he failed in player recruiment (so far).
What would look foolish though would be if he now fails to land a coach who is a clear level or two at least above Veivers.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Ian Lenagan, Simon Moran, Eamon McManus, Gary Hetherington, David Hughes, Adam Pearson, Bradford owners!
That makes 7.'"
Yep, and I think what will eventually get put to the vote won't be just a simple "raise the cap" but something that other clubs can live with too. If a few clubs at the bottom don't like it, I'm afraid that the external pressures we face, particularly from the wealth of the RFU and NRL, mean its time to cut them loose to play at a level commensurate with their finances, unless they find their own Koukash - we've held the top clubs back for a long time now. If you don't have a plan to catch up and join the wealthier clubs, we can't wait forever.
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| Quote ="MjM"I can't see any problems with a coaching team of Goulding and Long? They could bring in Garry Schofield too.'"
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