Surely the elbow/hand in the neck when getting off someone is just as bad? How long before a neck is broken....

O'Meley has been playing injured and has been for some time.

Once upon a time you were mean't to tackle the legs.........
My son had his first training session for the new season this morning, guess what, they were teaching him to tackle around the legs ?!?!?!?

Doesn't really account for knocking on though.
Hull were fairly unlucky last night, had it not been for some of the worst kamikaze plays in a long while they could have even won.

I bet they werent teaching them to tackle the knee as third man in though. It cowardly, its not needed, its not difficult, impressive or worthwhile. The game would lose nothing by getting rid of it.

The one and only reason you would tackle a player around the knee as third man in is to increase the chances of that players suffering a knee injury.

The answer is fairly simple, players have a duty of care to each other, the tackle Wigan are executing frequently results in injuries. If a player cant find a way of safely executing that tackle it is the tacklers problem, not the player being tackled, it is the tacklers problem.

We outlaw tackling around the knee of a prone player, if that results in a benefit to the attacking player, so what. It is a failure of defence to be only able to execute and complete a tackle in an unsafe manner.

The third man in leg cheap shots are an f-ing joke, they did it so much and resulted in an injury, needs sorting out.

As did mine - 7 years ago! 1 high, 1 low. Basic tackling technique.

No problem with traditional tackling around the legs but attacking the knees from the front or particularly the side is a sick tactic.

It wasn't from the front or side of the knees though, the legs were clasped together from behind. Same as last week with the Solomona tackle. All this talk of Wigan deliberately targeting knees to injure players is bull. You see tackles like this in every game.

Coley misses the initial tackle and then Moa continues to drive forward with two defenders on him. Coley in a second effort to make up for his missed tackle throws himself at Moa from behind, both arms around his legs and the contact is above the knee, sliding down to grip the legs together. It might not have been the prettiest attempt but it was a legal tackle. Get over it.

I'd be more concerned with Lima's chickenwing in the first half. He may get a band for that.

As for the tackling around the leg...a lot of fans [and pundits have been begging for this to happen for some time. Two legitimate tackles that, unfortunatley, led to injury. Now we're back on this whole 'Wigan go in the tackle to injure players' Which is pure tosh. Wigan employ the same tackling techniques as the likes of Huddersfield, but simply because it's Wigan, everybody loses their mind about it.

If that makes you feel better, stick with it.

Nobody really cares that its Wigan, its the fact a tactic is repeatedly getting players injured which is the issue.

Where did I say I didn't want us to win?

Tell me the other players who were injured by Wigan's tackling around th legs?

Fatigued players will drop the ball more than fit players.
Hull didn't deserve to win. They were crap in attack (again), and the reason why I wanted to stuff us rather than beat us close (if we were going to lose) was to highlight this fact to our new chairman who would hopefully finally put us all out of our 4 year misery!

Chris Clarkson.

HTH

Any more? I was expecting hoards and hoards of crippled players at the hands of Wigan's tackling techniques. 3 out of what? Over 300 players? Good god, there's going to be no player's left if Wigan carry on like this. 3 a season! Dear god almighty.

Fair enough, we have only seen one broken jaw this season and that came from a legal tackle, we can probably allow deliberate high tackles again cant we?

I mean if Wigan's deliberate tactic has only injured three players this year and thats fine, and we have only one injury from a high tackle there cant be much wrong with it can there.

Rob Burrow got a ban for a chicken wing against Wigan and nobody got injured, nobody, I was expecting Burrow to have killed at least more people than a nuclear weapon but his dangerous action injured nobody, out of 65million people in the country! Dear God Almighty

The fact is High tackles are illegal, tackling around the legs isn't, and even kids when they first learnt he game are taught to tackle around the legs. I certainly was when I first started playing the game. So why if and when Wigan do it, does it become some awful tactic that is done to deliberatley injure players? I really don't udnerstand. A couple of players have been injured, but then, Chris Tuson suffered a knee injury against Wakefield the other week, are Wigan fans trying to get Wakefield lynched for their deliberate attack of Chris Tusons knees? I saw the tackle and it was a tackle around the legs, but hey, that's Rugby, players tend to get injured. Why are Wigan being scapegoated for this? Is it because it's Wigan?

The fact the player's get injured is an unfortunate by product of playing a contact sport. Wigan do NOT go out to injure opponents, despite what many on here would have us believe. I don't like when player's get injured from any team, nor would any fan, but they are a simple fact of the sport we play. I haven't had the time to go through all the matches this year, but I bet the ratio of tackles round the legs to players being injured by Wigan is around about average, could possibly be a bit higher because we do have two going up top and one around the legs to control the ruck.

Tackling using the technique Wigan are using is, hence Jeff Lima being sin-binned for it.

No, never. I have never been taught, nor have taught, nor have spoken to anyone who was taught or has taught kids to attack the knee of a player held up in the tackle. Your premise is simply wrong.Well Wigan are being blamed for it because Wigan seem to do it more often. Nobody has defended any other player doing anything similar. Fans have been almost uniquely united in saying its something the game doesnt need.

Attacking the knee is a deliberate attempt to injure an opponent, throwing a shoulder in to the knee has no benefit to the defending team other than to potentially injure an opponent. It doesnt give control in the tackle, it doesnt slow the tackle completion, it doesnt help complete the tackle any more than the numerous other ways for a player to complete the tackle. It is a pointless, worthless, cowardly tactic which the game would benefit from getting rid of, not only that but it would lose nothing at all by doing so.

Players have other ways of completing the tackle, if they cannot do so, their duty is to not involve themselves in the tackle. It is wrong for them to complete the tackle regardless of the safety of the player they are tackling.

of my posts, but I am at work at the minute and have to deal with customer's while trying to type this!

If you wish to conflate two different things to try and confuse the matter feel free. On this thread everybody else has understood the difference bar a couple of Wigan fans who seem intent being confused.

Wigan dont complete 100+ tackles that way in a game, I have watched Wigan a fair few times and seen them complete that tackle small minority of times. I have seen the complete a tackle in a safe way numerous times, I have, disappointingly seen them injure three players by completing a tackle they complete 100+ times a game safely and legally, unsafely and illegally.

There are safe and unsafe ways of completing tackles. In a minority of times, Wigan players are choosing to complete the tackle in an unsafe way. They have no need to and should be punished when they do so. Fact is Wigan are a skillful bunch of players and a good team, if in three of four games they gave away two penalties for this type of tackle, they would simply adapt and get rid of it.


What annoyed me more was the weak refereeing that saw Wigan give away 3 penalties whilst defending their line within 2minutes which wasted time and left Hull unable to complete a set of 6 which they had earned. I dont blame Wigan for that, it was intelligent play by them, if the referee isnt going to punish them then they should do it, its clever. It is however weak refereeing which rewards that type of professionalism.

But I don't feel that our policy of 'Tackling around the legs' should brand us as beint thugs and going out to hurt players. Nobody goes into a game to hurt a player, at least not all the time, but yet Wigan are more often than not, perceived to be a gang of thugs intent on snapping bones and tearing ligaments, which I feel is unfair to our great club.

anyone with any sense would tackle around the legs because you vant run without them, thats what kids get taught. as long as wigan do the tackle and the ref is okay with it its fair but when its wrong like lima he was rightfully sin binned. if everyone got there own way it would be turned from tackle to tag rugby with velcrow strips so you dont hurt anyone.