He didn't say that Henderson LOOKED LIKE an Australian though did he? So he wasn't expressing a view on racial lines. He was expressing a view on lines of nationality. The two are not the same.

You do, I presume? Therefore, someone does!




Is the situation in the Channel Islands similar to that of the Isle of Man?

That's exactly what he said, actually.

www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... k-at-Brown Quote Henderson said: "I am English. I was born in England, my mother is English and my father is Scottish. I moved to Australia when I was five years old and our parents brought us up in British tradition. My brothers and myself have all returned to England to live and play and for Nathan Brown to question my family's commitment to this country is ignorant and insulting. Every member of my family is disgusted by his close-minded views just because I have an Australian accent. "I am proud of being English and my family is proud of our heritage dating back hundreds of years in this country. "I am happy to fight for a position based on my form but no one should question my eligibility or the pride I have to be an Englishman." '" I dont see how anyone can have a problem with Henderson representing either England or Scotland.

www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... k-at-Brown Quote Henderson said: "I am English. I was born in England, my mother is English and my father is Scottish. I moved to Australia when I was five years old and our parents brought us up in British tradition. My brothers and myself have all returned to England to live and play and for Nathan Brown to question my family's commitment to this country is ignorant and insulting. Every member of my family is disgusted by his close-minded views just because I have an Australian accent. "I am proud of being English and my family is proud of our heritage dating back hundreds of years in this country. "I am happy to fight for a position based on my form but no one should question my eligibility or the pride I have to be an Englishman." '" I dont see how anyone can have a problem with Henderson representing either England or Scotland.

No he didn't.

Read the link at the top of this thread before you make an even bigger tit of yourself.

Henderson hasn't half gotten his knickers in a twist about it. If he goes on to demand an apology for the offence Brown has caused to him, his family and the last three generations then I'd say he has passed the Englishness test.

read Henderson's comments and Nathan Brown should issue an apology!

Send the mouthy convict home.

And rightly so. It's fook all to do with Brown and he should have kept his trap shut.

Here it is:
[i"If something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck, isn't it?
"[uHe looks Aussie and talks Aussie[/u so I suppose he is an Aussie."[/i

I've underlined the bit you are translating as 'looks like an Aussie', except that isn't what he said. He didn't say he looked LIKE an Aussie but that he LOOKED AUSSIE. You can look English. You can look German. You can look American. None of these comments is a comment about his race. It's a comment on his culture. It is nothing like saying a person can look like [uan[/u African, as that would be a comment on his racial heritage and not his cultural one. Had he said Henderson looks like [ua[/u European then that would have been the equivalent. But he didn't.

Phil Clarke has once again shown what a complete plonker he is by agreeing with Nathan Brown Quote ="Phil Clarke"Last week I wrote an article on 'overseas' players in which I questioned the direction that we are taking in this country. This week the Huddersfield coach Nathan Brown took an even stronger stance and I have to agree with everything that he has said. If we are not careful, we'll de-motivate some of our own youngsters and ruin the credibility of international rugby league. I don't think that supporters from this country will repeatedly pay to support a side with accents that don't sound English'" www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 26,00.html

Phil Clarke has once again shown what a complete plonker he is by agreeing with Nathan Brown Quote ="Phil Clarke"Last week I wrote an article on 'overseas' players in which I questioned the direction that we are taking in this country. This week the Huddersfield coach Nathan Brown took an even stronger stance and I have to agree with everything that he has said. If we are not careful, we'll de-motivate some of our own youngsters and ruin the credibility of international rugby league. I don't think that supporters from this country will repeatedly pay to support a side with accents that don't sound English'" www.skysports.com/opinion/story/ ... 26,00.html

Jesus Christ, what horse. There's no difference whatsoever between "he looks Aussie" and "he looks like an Aussie". Just as there's no difference between "he looks African" and "he looks like an African". Fook me.

So what nationality am I. My parents were Mother South African, Father Canadian I was born on a ship in international waters off the coast of the USA and have spent all my life in England.

You're best off asking Nathan Brown. Do you look English, or not?

Why? He only picked on Henderson because Henderson is a hooker and so is Robinson, and Brown thinks that Robinson should play for England rather than Henderson. He has a very valid point on performance alone. Robinson was excellent in the Four Nations down under and then McBanana didn't pick him the following year. Now he is talking about playing Henderson instead. That was clearly the context of Brown's comments and I sincerely hope he does not bow to the minority and apologise as he hasn't said anything offensive. Henderson, however, has reacted as if he'd called his mother a tramp. Ludicrous overreaction to an opinion that Brown has every right to express.

I'd rather not.

There is a lot of difference. I lived in the States for a year. I was spotted as English a mile off before I even opened my mouth because of things like the clothes that I wore, the way I wore them, the style of my hair, etc, etc, a thousand different things that you don't notice when you are in within your own culture but when you are in someone else's they stand out a mile.

'kinell.

Let me explain it slowly for you. Someone with black skin, an African accent and African clothes might 'stand out' as 'looking African', but might be every bit as British as you or I. So just because Henderson may 'look Aussie', or even 'look like an Aussie', is no reason to disqualify him from playing for England.

Fascinating - or boring - aside: the Channel Islands are held by the crown in their role as Duke of Normany, not king or queen of Englad. They are not. and never have been, part of the kingdom of England. Therefore, they weren't part of the Kingdom of Great Britain after the 17thingy Act of Union. And, consequently, they're not part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland post the 1805 Acy of Union. Channel Islanders, therefore, are not English (or Welsh or Scottish) but can choose to represent any of the three.

It's one of the anomalous joys of still living in a feudal state.

Complicated, perhaps, but no doubt Brown wouldn't bother with all that - he could just tell a Channel Islander isn't English just by looking at them.

So it is a similar situation to the Isle of Man then.

People often tell me I look Italian.

I don't talk or sound Italian and I think in my life I've wore a Toga maybe once (wasn't even a real Toga, bed sheet, innit).

I find it a little offensive, actually.

Well, like I said - it's tedious that I have to repeat myself but clearly for some I do - had Brown called Henderson a European (therefore making reference to his physical features, including skin colour) your statement would make sense. As it is, he did not. Therefore, to bring skin colour into the discussion, is erroneous.

Australian isn't a race; it is a nationality. However, the word African is used as a race descriptor. The two are entirely different.

You are being obtuse.

Who cares.

In a way. But simply typing 'Yes' wouldn't have allowed me to show off my store of useless trivial knwpowledge

They really are not entirely different.

But just for you, why not substitute 'African' for 'Turkish', or 'Italian', or 'Romanian'. The point still stands - you can't exclude anyone from playing for England for looking/sounding Italian, Turkish, Romanian, African or Australian.