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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Sorry mate, I tried to bold the part I was referring to above but it wouldn't. You mention the "Howlers" he made IN THE WIGAN GAME (not shouting but I can't bold on here). They're not howlers. They were no worse than those last night. In fact I'd suggest the soft sinnbinning and the shepard for Grace's try were far worse than anything Kendall missed in the Wigan game.
I agree that the Mcillorum one was a bad one but can any of us honestly say they "saw" the Tomkins one? When Myler complained he asked did he want to make a complaint to which Myler replied "no". What else could he have done?
You're basically saying Kendall shouldn't get the final because he missed one head high tackle. If that's the criteria then we have no ref for the final.'"
I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying he also made mistakes in Wigan v Hull game and also the Wigan v Saints game.
Yes all refs make mistakes, I just think he’s made a few too many recently to be a shoe in for GF, that is all.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"And that is all I am trying to say.'"
So why on the Wigan page have you literally just wrote:
“Seeing as the club twitter announced he had failed an HIA and wouldn't be back, it would be interesting to see a report of what happened
If they have put him back on with any issues then they need to be made an example of by the RFL/SL.”
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying he also made mistakes in Wigan v Hull game and also the Wigan v Saints game.
Yes all refs make mistakes, I just think he’s made a few too many recently to be a shoe in for GF, that is all.'"
None of which were "howlers". Just the same type of error made by every referee in every game as I illustrated using last night's game. The reason you think they're an issue is because they were against Saints or for Wigan. When they're for Saints they aren't an issue and certainly not one big enough to preclude the ref from getting the final.
No one is suggesting he is a shoe in. NK suggested he'd be his choice to which you replied "surely this is a wind up" (sic).
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"None of which were "howlers". Just the same type of error made by every referee in every game as I illustrated using last night's game. The reason you think they're an issue is because they were against Saints or for Wigan. When they're for Saints they aren't an issue and certainly not one big enough to preclude the ref from getting the final.
No one is suggesting he is a shoe in. NK suggested he'd be his choice to which you replied "surely this is a wind up" (sic).'"
Bloody hell you’re like a dog with a bone with me haha.
NK said he should “rightfully” get the GF which is what I disagreed with, due to his recent catalogue of mistakes. Nothing to do with Saints or Wigan. If you want to assume otherwise that’s fine but I don’t have the energy or inclination to go round in circles arguing about it.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"So why on the Wigan page have you literally just wrote:
“Seeing as the club twitter announced he had failed an HIA and wouldn't be back, it would be interesting to see a report of what happened
If they have put him back on with any issues then they need to be made an example of by the RFL/SL.”'"
Because it will, because you haven't clarified what happened instead you made a joke about it and hid the original post. Had you done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I doubt you have put him back on but if you have you should be rightly punished. Agree?
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Bloody hell you’re like a dog with a bone with me haha.
NK said he should “rightfully” get the GF which is what I disagreed with, due to his recent catalogue of mistakes. Nothing to do with Saints or Wigan. If you want to assume otherwise that’s fine but I don’t have the energy or inclination to go round in circles arguing about it.'"
Which is his opinion. Why would that be a "wind up"? It seems like as reasonable a choice as any other
You know why I'm like a dog with a bone with you Indulge me one more time. If it's nothing to do with Wigan or Saints then list me the "howlers" he made that went against Wigan in the recent derby.*
*Or, perish the thought, you could concede that I'm right.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Kendall's last two games have been terrible, there is no getting away from that. He was put in a ridiculous position being given the game so soon after making two absolute howlers in the Catalans v Leeds game. Not seeing the headshot as a penalty is inexcusable, McIllorum has punched him square in the face and he's not seen it. There's blood pumping from his nose and mouth and still he doesn't compute that maybe the tackle caused it. But they give him the game anyway, which is a common RFL trait unfortunately. It just puts him under an unacceptable level of pressure. It was a similar situation to Hicks being given the Challenge Cup final last year. ITV aired the piece about his death threats from Warrington fans, so they give him the final to support him. Again put under incredible pressure he cracked. Similarly last night Kendall spent the first half panicking and making rash and often incorrect decisions. There were some absolutely farcical passes last night, one in the build up to the drop goal at the end of the first half was right in front of him and couldn't have been more blatant.
There are quite a list of minor decisions he got wrong last night and the head patting incident is the big topic of debate today. I'm fine with that being a penalty, but where is the consistency? Singleton against Saints was in one of those overly fired up moods and was goading Saints and slapping backs and heads whenever we made an error. Never considered a penalty then, but is because Wigan all steam in for a fight. He's penalising Hull not for the head pat which they'd get away with, but for Wigan's retaliation. Had they not reacted, there's no penalty. It's wrong and all caused by referees not being consistent.
Who gets the final will have a big say on who wins it this year. Kendall suits Wigan to a tee. He doesn't police the 10 at all and high shots need to be full on Ultimate Warrior efforts to be given. If Catalans make the final it's just a thug-fest and a brawl. If Saints get there they need a referee who will keep the 10 a 10 as per the rules and not a 5 as it was allowed to be last night. I got plenty of bitter shouts on Twitter for saying that, but it's not bitterness. I'm fine with Wigan winning it if they're the best team, but their defensive success recently isn't based on anything more than moving way before the ball is played, and Kendall ignores that. And it seems he's given all of Wigan's games recently.'"
Eamonn, calm down. Your rant in the programme a couple of weeks after the 2019 cup final made you look sad and bitter, but to bring it up again 15 months after the event says much more about you. Do like any other club chairman would do and take it on the chin, congratulate the winners and move on.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Which is his opinion. Why would that be a "wind up"? It seems like as reasonable a choice as any other
You know why I'm like a dog with a bone with you
Indulge me one more time. If it's nothing to do with Wigan or Saints then list me the "howlers" he made that went against Wigan in the recent derby.*
*Or, perish the thought, you could concede that I'm right.
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In the last few games:
He should’ve sent Greenwood off
He should’ve sent McIlorum off.
He missed a forward pass for Harry Smith’s try.
He wrongly penalised Connor when French knocked on.
In my OPINION, those are all howlers. They also have nothing to do with my feelings for Saints or Wigan.
I am more than happy to agree to disagree mate.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Because it will, because you haven't clarified what happened instead you made a joke about it and hid the original post. Had you done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I doubt you have put him back on but if you have you should be rightly punished. Agree?'"
Yes I agree. But if you’re sure they haven’t put him on with issues I don’t understand why you’re suggesting there is a chance they have, that’s all.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"In the last few games:
He should’ve sent Greenwood off
He should’ve sent McIlorum off.
He missed a forward pass for Harry Smith’s try.
He wrongly penalised Connor when French knocked on
In my OPINION, those are all howlers. They also have nothing to do with my feelings for Saints or Wigan.
I am more than happy to agree to disagree mate.'"
Neither of those were mistakes never mind "Howlers".
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"In the last few games:
He should’ve sent Greenwood off
He should’ve sent McIlorum off.
He missed a forward pass for Harry Smith’s try.
He wrongly penalised Connor when French knocked on.
In my OPINION, those are all howlers. They also have nothing to do with my feelings for Saints or Wigan.
I am more than happy to agree to disagree mate.'"
He did send Greenwood off unless you mean you think it should have been a straight red in which case it's a judgement call and not a howler.
I'll agree on Mcllorum but the same goes for the video ref. The other 2 were correct calls.
And against Wigan please?
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"He did send Greenwood off unless you mean you think it should have been a straight red in which case it's a judgement call and not a howler.
I'll agree on Mcllorum but the same goes for the video ref. The other 2 were correct calls.
And against Wigan please?'"
I have already listed the two main ones v Wigan.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I have already listed the two main ones v Wigan.'"
No, not the ones that went against Saints. The "howlers" that went against Wigan.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"No, not the ones that went against Saints. The "howlers" that went against Wigan.'"
In which game?
Turning into an interrogation now this it’s a bit boring mate haha. I don’t actually know what you’re trying to prove.
I think Kendall has made a lot of errors recently and shouldn’t ref the GF. I genuinely don’t know what you’re trying to achieve here by cross questioning that. You’re trying your best to find some bias that is swaying my opinion, just so you can score a point.
We can agree to disagree; let it go.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Prove what? That your club posted and then deleted a tweet and that sky said he had failed before he miraculously appears on the field?
The post is on here, the game was on sky.'"
I don't think you could get your head around the fact that there was a communication problem. We don't even know if the chap on the twitter account got information from the SKY team, Jenna Brooks herself in fact didn't say he had failed the HIA test she said LMS will take no part in the game which confused things.
LMS came off the field at the 29 min mark and the tweet was announced on the 38 min mark, I should imagine it would take longer than 9 mins to confirm a test and get it out to the media in that time scale, the player has to undergo a rest period protocol before taking the SAT test. Like I said before the result was probably confirmed during the interval period and not in a premature tweet by a non medic.
In my opinion thats not particular hard to understand. However if there is any suspicion circumstances the RFL would have certification proof and we would have heard something by now.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"As I’ve already said, he should’ve sent Greenwood off.
Turning into an interrogation now this it’s a bit boring mate haha.'"
Because you aren't answering! The Greenwood one was a Wigan offence. I'm asking you to give me the howlers he made that were Saints offences. It's really not that complicated....
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Because you aren't answering! The Greenwood one was a Wigan offence. I'm asking you to give me the howlers he made that were Saints offences. It's really not that complicated....'"
Well that’s the first time you’ve made your question clear....
Off the top of my head I genuinely can’t remember any in that game. I’m happy to look at any examples you have though and answer them honestly.
I’ve clearly stated Moore made errors last night that benefited Saints so bias doesn’t come into it.
What exactly are you trying or prove? That all refs make mistakes? I agree. All clubs benefit from them at different times? I agree. That no team is given special treatment? I agree. Anything else?
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"In which game?
Turning into an interrogation now this it’s a bit boring mate haha. I don’t actually know what you’re trying to prove.
I think Kendall has made a lot of errors recently and shouldn’t ref the GF. I genuinely don’t know what you’re trying to achieve here by cross questioning that. You’re trying your best to find some bias that is swaying my opinion, just so you can score a point.
We can agree to disagree; let it go.'"
Because there is bias. There is always bias. From every fan of every club. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't make it any less true. And if course I'm trying to prove a point. Just as you are with all your posts and everyone else does with theirs!
I do agree it's getting boring though so we'll leave it that Kendall shouldn't get the final because he makes mistakes that don't favour Saints. You good with that?
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Well that’s the first time you’ve made your question clear....
Off the top of my head I genuinely can’t remember any in that game. I’m happy to look at any examples you have though and answer them honestly.
I’ve clearly stated Moore made errors last night that benefited Saints so bias doesn’t come into it.
What exactly are you trying or prove? That all refs make mistakes? I agree. All clubs benefit from them at different times? I agree. That no team is given special treatment? I agree. Anything else?'"
Nope, all good with that mate. It's exactly what I said in the very first post.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Because there is bias. There is always bias. From every fan of every club. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't make it any less true. And if course I'm trying to prove a point. Just as you are with all your posts and everyone else does with theirs!
I do agree it's getting boring though so we'll leave it that Kendall shouldn't get the final because he makes mistakes that don't favour Saints. You good with that?'"
No I’m not because you’re taking what I’ve said and completely twisting it, which seems to be your regular tactic.
I am going to say exactly what I think so you don’t have to to twist it, misinterpret it or infer some other hidden meaning.
I do not think Kendall should be some sort of automatic choice for the Grand Final. The reason for this opinion is that I believe he has made several mistakes recently, all in high profile games. I would also like to acknowledge that all referees make mistakes, however I believe he has made too many recently to warrant being the front runner for the GF.
That’s the last you’re getting off me on the topic. So you can dangle any bait you want, I’m not biting. The above paragraph leaves no room for your little games.
Have a great day.
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| He was so bad he's been punished with reffing the Grand Final.
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| Deserves it after an imperious display in that last Wigan vs Saints game. Come up with the same again and everyone is happy.
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| Giving him the GF was the only thing that could be done to stop Saints winning at a canter. At least with him in charge it gives Wigan half a chance
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| With Moore getting the CC Final, Thaler Hicks and Child seemingly out of favour with Ganson, Kendall seems the obvious choice.
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