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| on his day,leroy cudjoe has everything you want from a class centre, strength,pace,great footwork,good defence and the ability to create space for his winger, at the moment only probably Watkins and crooks are on the same level.
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| Quote ="Hasbag"Will start by saying this isn't a dig or cheap shot, as I like Cudjoe. Good player who I rate and would like to see playing in the World Cup.
But, does he ever pass the ball properly (by that I mean two handed)? Every time I see him pass he does that one hand flick thing.
Seems to work for the kid so it's not a bad thing, I'm just wondering.'"
That's almost become his trademark, its great to watch and him and Jerry work off each other to a tee.
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| Cudjoe and Mcgilvray on one wing and Watkins and Hall on the other with Tomkins at FB and a fired up Chase at halfback plus the Burgess bash brothers,
James Graham, Roby, big Earl et al up front. Surely we can trouble the Aussies with that lot. I can't wait. Hope I'm not too disappointed.
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| Quote ="keighley1"Cudjoe and Mcgilvray on one wing and Watkins and Hall on the other with Tomkins at FB and a fired up Chase at halfback plus the Burgess bash brothers,
James Graham, Roby, big Earl et al up front. Surely we can trouble the Aussies with that lot. I can't wait. Hope I'm not too disappointed.'"
Im sorry, but Mcgilvray? You would leave out the leagues top try scorer for Mcgilvray? are you Steve Macnamara?
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Im sorry, but Mcgilvray? You would leave out the leagues top try scorer for Mcgilvray? are you Steve Macnamara?'"
He can't be Steve McNamara as McNamara picks charnley. Strange dig at the Enhland coach from you there.
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| Much as I like McGillvary he isn't an England winger really
Cudjoe and Charnley down that flank is a mouth watering prospect though
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| Quote ="meast"on his day,leroy cudjoe has everything you want from a class centre, strength,pace,great footwork,good defence and the ability to create space for his winger, at the moment only probably Watkins and crooks are on the same level.'"
crooks! thats got to be a joke.
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| Quote ="keighley1"Cudjoe and Mcgilvray on one wing and Watkins and Hall on the other with Tomkins at FB and a fired up Chase at halfback plus the Burgess bash brothers,
James Graham, Roby, big Earl et al up front. Surely we can trouble the Aussies with that lot. I can't wait. Hope I'm not too disappointed.'"
wouldnt complain at that team!
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| Quote ="brearley84"crooks!
thats got to be a joke.'"
Crooks had a bad day at wembley (as did most of the team) coming off an injury that should have ruled him out for another two weeks, but his form before that was ripping teams apart. Should be a shoe in for young player of the year. at 19 years old, there isnt a centre in the league I would swap him for.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Crooks had a bad day at wembley (as did most of the team) coming off an injury that should have ruled him out for another two weeks, but his form before that was ripping teams apart. Should be a shoe in for young player of the year. at 19 years old, there isnt a centre in the league I would swap him for.'"
thats fine you can keep him
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Im sorry, but Mcgilvray? You would leave out the leagues top try scorer for Mcgilvray? are you Steve Macnamara?'"
I take your point but the familiarity of Cudjoe and McGilvray as a unit working together might trump Charnley but he should certainly be in the squad and all should play in the group games to determine the best combinations for the later stages.
To be fair, the quality and number of players available to England is higher than for many many years. Outside of those wingers in this discussion, you could add Briscoe, Broughton, Jones Buchanan,, Dixon and some others and any one would do a creditable job.
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| Quote ="keighley1"I take your point but the familiarity of Cudjoe and McGilvray as a unit working together might trump Charnley but he should certainly be in the squad and all should play in the group games to determine the best combinations for the later stages.
To be fair, the quality and number of players available to England is higher than for many many years. Outside of those wingers in this discussion, you could add Briscoe, Broughton, Jones Buchanan,, Dixon and some others and any one would do a creditable job.'"
I just dont see McGilvray as an international standard winger, certainly not from the times I've seen him. That said, I dont see him every game.
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| Quote ="keighley1"Outside of those wingers in this discussion, you could add Briscoe, Broughton, Jones Buchanan,, Dixon and some others and any one would do a creditable job.'"
Briscoe perhaps, the rest are not international class, some nowhere near (Dixon?! He would get absolutely ripped to shreds). Assume you mean Jones bishop rather than jjb
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Cudjoe was class yesterday, but he is most weeks. Maybe because he isn't one of the 'flair' players who gets lots of media coverage he gets overlooked by people at times. Him and Watkins, in my opinion, are the best 2 and both will only get better in time too.'"
Doesn't get media coverage because he doesn't do live interviews. Coaches all rate him though.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Im sorry, but Mcgilvray? You would leave out the leagues top try scorer for Mcgilvray? are you Steve Macnamara?'"
you seem to be neglecting the fact the leagues top scorer, wouldn't be playing hull kr and wakefield, and not using wigan's only set play of obstruction supreme.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"you seem to be neglecting the fact the leagues top scorer, wouldn't be playing hull kr and wakefield, and not using wigan's only set play of obstruction supreme.'"
And yet he's still scored nearly twice as many tries against the same opposition. Mcgilvray is a good winger, Charnley is a very very good winger.
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| As a player charnley, so you can't really leave him out! As a combination Jerry and Cudjoe which could also work out for the best. That's if either of the 3 are picked.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"And yet he's still scored nearly twice as many tries against the same opposition. Mcgilvray is a good winger, Charnley is a very very good winger.'"
Charnleys a decent winger, a pretty good finisher, who happens to be very very very fortunate he plays on the right wing at wigan, against teams that them selves because they can't defend against wigan's one set play and also dont know how to defend against sam tomkins in this set play as well.
If you use your eyes watching wigan matches, and then a little bit of common sense,charnley and tomkins being 1 and 2 in the try scoring charts is somewhat skewed.
As i say, england wont be playing hull kr and wont be playing wakefield, they'll be playing NZ and Australia who'll defend a gazillion times better than SL sides, him being top try scorer won't be worth diddly.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Charnleys a decent winger, a pretty good finisher, who happens to be very very very fortunate he plays on the right wing at wigan, against teams that poop them selves because they can't defend against wigan's one set play and also dont know how to defend against sam tomkins in this set play as well.
If you use your eyes watching wigan matches, and then a little bit of common sense,charnley and tomkins being 1 and 2 in the try scoring charts is somewhat skewed.
As i say, england wont be playing hull kr and wont be playing wakefield, they'll be playing NZ and Australia who'll defend a gazillion times better than SL sides, him being top try scorer won't be worth diddly.'"
To an extent i agree with you but Charnley has the ability to be a good winger. The key thing for any winger is to spend a lot of time with a regular centre so they know what the other is going to do and they can work together as a team in a team.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Charnleys a decent winger, a pretty good finisher, who happens to be very very very fortunate he plays on the right wing at wigan, against teams that poop them selves because they can't defend against wigan's one set play and also dont know how to defend against sam tomkins in this set play as well.
If you use your eyes watching wigan matches, and then a little bit of common sense,charnley and tomkins being 1 and 2 in the try scoring charts is somewhat skewed.
As i say, england wont be playing hull kr and wont be playing wakefield, they'll be playing NZ and Australia who'll defend a gazillion times better than SL sides, him being top try scorer won't be worth diddly.'"
You're absolutely right, they will defend a lot better, in which case McGilvray really will be in trouble wont he? Charnley scores an awful lot of tries that he creates himself, he's incredibly quick, good defender and a good side step. I would much rather go into the world cup with Charnley outside Cudjoe, exploiting the space made for him than McGilvray. Id rather see Lineham outside of Cudjoe than McGilvray to be honest. It sounds like I'm having a charnley love in, truth be told I cant stand the little lover. But he has to be a shoe in for one wing spot, probably Hall the other.
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"It sounds like I'm having a charnley love in, truth be told I cant stand the little lover. But he has to be a shoe in for one wing spot, probably Hall the other.'"
Probably? Good grief.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"Probably? Good grief.'"
Thought that myself, Hall is a certainty (if fit) and rightly so as he is up there with the best in the world, he could actually be the best winger there is in the game at the moment
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| Quote ="christopher"Thought that myself, Hall is a certainty (if fit) and rightly so as he is up there with the best in the world, he[i[size=150 could[/size[/i actually be the best winger there is in the game at the moment'"
Spot on!!
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"Probably? Good grief.'"
Christ you guys are pedantic, Charnley one wing, Hall the other. Everyones a winner
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| Fwiw as a Giants fan I'd take Charnley over Jerry all the time. Jerry is good, almost invaluable in the first carries too but Charnley has more pace and can craft some wonder tried - put him outside Cudjoe and its a mouthwatering prospect
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