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| Ignore the predictably negative comments from Starbug. He's insecure and bitter about things that have gone on at Leigh, so will point out a negative in anything and everything to compensate.
Congratulations on a significant step, Wakey. Plenty of work still to go, but this wil hopefully be the start of some big news coming from the club.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"I fancy that they are more secure now than they were at the Willows.'"
To be frank, seeing what's come out of the club recently I'd say we haven't been up to now. But that seems to be more down to an ineffective former CEO rather than the ground move itself...
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| Well done and fairplay if building occurs soon,and not just plans and agreement.I thought this location would be a shared Stadium with Castleford?
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| Quote ="OFFTHECUFF"Well done and fairplay if building occurs soon,and not just plans and agreement.I thought this location would be a shared Stadium with Castleford?'"
The date being talked about is the 2015 season - so still a long way to go.
Both clubs have been clear for a good while now that they would be pursuing their own stadium plans, which may not make sense to the outside world, but actually does when you consider that they're both completely separate and competing businesses. There may still be further twists in the tale but as it stands, this is a Community Stadium for the Wakefield District and WTW will be the anchor tenant - CTRLFC are pursuing the sale of WR to fund the build of their own privately owned stadium at Glasshoughton.
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| Great news for Wakey just a day after York got planning permission.
So...
Saints moved into a new stadium this year
Salford moved into a new stadium this year
Catalans built a new stand last year
Leigh moved to a new stadium in 2009
Leeds built a new stand in 2006
Wire moved into a new stadium in 2004
Odsal underwent improvements in early 2000's
Hull KR have started building a new North stand
Halifax finished their new stand making their stadium fit for SL
Wakefield have announced plans for a new stadium
The rest already play in top stadiums...
I believe that is as a result of the attitude the RFL took towards stadiums and proclaiming their importance. Clubs have clearly felt the need to improve facilities hence the amount of activity. Can't wait to see a super league where every team plays in good facilities with good crowds. This is as a result of franchising, it has been a requirement to improve facilties, that can only be a good thing. I doubt we would have seen such a dramatic improvement without summer rugby and the super league.
I would expect a decent rise in the crowds at Wakey, massive history at that club and they are doing well for crowds in a terrible stadium at the moment. They are averaging a lot more than wire were before they moved to the HJ. The signs look good for wakey fans. It would be great to have another club averaging 10k with a good team on the pitch.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I understand where you’re coming from regarding a new facility, it’s a bit like Wakefield fans preaching to the Bradford fans about going into administration, been there, done that. All we can hope is that lessons can be learnt from the Leigh scenario,
But just today let us get a little giddy. It’s not like we see our team every win stuff, just constant relegation battles followed by the threat of not receiving a licence, intersected by deaths of serving players, this is as good as it gets I’m afraid.
Come on Starbug, be happy for us, with your lead maybe Smokey will follow
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You poor sods! It's about time you had something to cheer about!
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I think that is more RW has been bombarded all day with emails sulking at him and asking why there's nothing happening etc so that's quicker than replying to them all.
Something with some substance isn't going to be too far away hopefully.
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I think that is more RW has been bombarded all day with emails sulking at him and asking why there's nothing happening etc so that's quicker than replying to them all.
Something with some substance isn't going to be too far away hopefully.
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| Quote ="Odem"Great news for Wakey just a day after York got planning permission.
So...
Saints moved into a new stadium this year
Salford moved into a new stadium this year
Catalans built a new stand last year
Leigh moved to a new stadium in 2009
Leeds built a new stand in 2006
Wire moved into a new stadium in 2004
Odsal underwent improvements in early 2000's
Hull KR have started building a new North stand
Halifax finished their new stand making their stadium fit for SL
Wakefield have announced plans for a new stadium
The rest already play in top stadiums...
I believe that is as a result of the attitude the RFL took towards stadiums and proclaiming their importance. Clubs have clearly felt the need to improve facilities hence the amount of activity. Can't wait to see a super league where every team plays in good facilities with good crowds. This is as a result of franchising, it has been a requirement to improve facilties, that can only be a good thing. I doubt we would have seen such a dramatic improvement without summer rugby and the super league.
I would expect a decent rise in the crowds at Wakey, massive history at that club and they are doing well for crowds in a terrible stadium at the moment. They are averaging a lot more than wire were before they moved to the HJ. The signs look good for wakey fans. It would be great to have another club averaging 10k with a good team on the pitch.'"
i just hope the RFL dont give in to the flat cappers and undo all this hard work by cas and wakey by relegating one and promoting the villagers from Featherstone.
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| Clubs like Fev, Leigh, Fax, Cougars & the Cumbrians teams are yesterdays clubs. They have no future in SL, simple
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| Quote ="wire quin"Clubs like Fev, Leigh, Fax, Cougars & the Cumbrians teams are yesterdays clubs. They have no future in SL, simple'"
Quite right
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| Quote ="wire quin"Clubs like Fev, Leigh, Fax, Cougars & the Cumbrians teams are yesterdays clubs. They have no future in SL, simple'"
I agree. Surely we can't run up debts of millions in this crap Championship league.
Spare change for Bradford. ANYONE ................ spare change for Bradford ......................... We've got 28 SL players to feed. Spare change for Bradford......................
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| Quote ="littlerich"I agree. Surely we can't run up debts of millions in this crap Championship league.
Spare change for Bradford. ANYONE ................ spare change for Bradford ......................... We've got 28 SL players to feed. Spare change for Bradford......................
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I beLEIGHve youre right
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| Quote ="Starbug"I beLEIGHve
youre right
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That's a cracking use of clever letters by Leigh. Get Santa to deliver the bid - in a helicopter. Worked a treat for Fax. Got to [ispeculate[/i to accumulate ............................................... [size=85debts[/size
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| Quote ="Odem"Great news for Wakey just a day after York got planning permission.
So...
Saints moved into a new stadium this year
Salford moved into a new stadium this year
Catalans built a new stand last year
Leigh moved to a new stadium in 2009
Leeds built a new stand in 2006
Wire moved into a new stadium in 2004
Odsal underwent improvements in early 2000's
Hull KR have started building a new North stand
Halifax finished their new stand making their stadium fit for SL
Wakefield have announced plans for a new stadium
The rest already play in top stadiums...
I believe that is as a result of the attitude the RFL took towards stadiums and proclaiming their importance. Clubs have clearly felt the need to improve facilities hence the amount of activity. Can't wait to see a super league where every team plays in good facilities with good crowds. This is as a result of franchising, it has been a requirement to improve facilties, that can only be a good thing. I doubt we would have seen such a dramatic improvement without summer rugby and the super league.
I would expect a decent rise in the crowds at Wakey, massive history at that club and they are doing well for crowds in a terrible stadium at the moment. They are averaging a lot more than wire were before they moved to the HJ. The signs look good for wakey fans. It would be great to have another club averaging 10k with a good team on the pitch.'"
Thing is, a lot of those improvements took a place a long while before franchising was even suggested, so although it (franchising) played a part in maybe more recent developments, the wheels were set in motion for many of the above nearly 10 years ago (and more, for the likes of Warrington and Bradford).
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| Quote SmokeyTA wrote:
Whatever schadenfreude you are feeling now the double glazing salesman has convinced you your tinpot club has meaning is quite funny to watch.
Oh the hubris stemming for the fact Wakefield now have a roof from a petrol station forecourt over a stand, its almost pitying to watch. Like a child wearing daddies shoes and saying he is off to work. I almost feel a paternal pride for you
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This is one of SmokeyTA's observations of Wakefield a few months ago.
He feels a paternal pride for us, that's nice isn't it.
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| Quote ="TFC"This is one of SmokeyTA's observations of Wakefield a few months ago.
He feels a paternal pride for us, that's nice isn't it.'"
He'll be so proud of your news today. He'll be like a dog with two cocks.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Thing is, a lot of those improvements took a place a long while before franchising was even suggested, so although it (franchising) played a part in maybe more recent developments, the wheels were set in motion for many of the above nearly 10 years ago (and more, for the likes of Warrington and Bradford).'"
The RFL have maintained for quite some time that certain clubs facilities were not up to standard.
That came into play because the image of our sport must be improved.
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| Quote ="wire quin"Clubs like Fev, Leigh, Fax, Cougars & the Cumbrians teams are yesterdays clubs. They have no future in SL, simple'"
Not true. If ever any of them could play in a stadium fit for super league, get crowds good enough for super league, produce good young players for the national team, and spend 80% of the cap, then I think they could get in.
I think the next step though is getting those 'next level' sort of clubs and putting them into a fully proffesional league, I think the potential is there, the league would just need a decent TV deal which it could potentially get with the right teams and the right structure. That is the only way these teams could build for super league.
I reckon with a good TV deal you could find 10 clubs willing to be fully proffesional. It would be a cracking league, all the teams would have potential to reach super league.
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| Quote ="Odem"The RFL have maintained for quite some time that certain clubs facilities were not up to standard.
That came into play because the image of our sport must be improved.'"
Yes but you specificaly stated licencing as being the reason, whereas LM pointed out many of your examples were originally planned well before the possibility of that system was made public
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| Tricky call for Cas. It has always been stated that it is a community stadium for the whole of the Wakefield district, and so Cas are able to rent it too. But, I doubt they will, because it will be tougher for them to persuade their fans to go. It is a stadium that is in Wakefield geographically, and was intended as a stadium for Wakefield, as Wakefield have always been cited as the anchor tenants. So could Cas sustain financially a team at a ground that is not only no longer in Castleford but is in the territory of their top flight rivals and would be regarded as their rivals stadium? I doubt it. You would probably find them operating with crowds of much less than Wakefield, which would weaken them.
One of the factors quoted in the report as to why it would not be feasible for Wakefield to play out of the proposed Castleford ground was that fans wouldn't support it, and cited the reduction in Saints fans travelling to Widnes. It noted that Saints knew it was only temporary and the distance was less than it would be for Wakefield playing out of the proposed Castleford ground. A similar analogy has to work for Cas playing out of a ground in Wakey.
Good luck to Cas. I want them in Super League. Two clubs. Two grounds. One rivalry.
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| Quote ="Odem"Not true. If ever any of them could play in a stadium fit for super league, get crowds good enough for super league, produce good young players for the national team, and spend 80% of the cap, then I think they could get in.
I think the next step though is getting those 'next level' sort of clubs and putting them into a fully proffesional league, I think the potential is there, the league would just need a decent TV deal which it could potentially get with the right teams and the right structure. That is the only way these teams could build for super league.
I reckon with a good TV deal you could find 10 clubs willing to be fully proffesional. It would be a cracking league, all the teams would have potential to reach super league.'"
Except nobody is interested in it, definatly not enough to actually pay anything for it
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| Assuming the stadium comes off, congratulations to Wakey - takes away one of the easy cheap shots against them as a club.
I do think that in a rational world, Cas and Wakey should seriously look at sharing a stadium if new ones are being built, as they are expensive assets and utilisation and sharing costs is the key to getting value out of them.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I do think that in a rational world, Cas and Wakey should seriously look at sharing a stadium if new ones are being built, as they are expensive assets and utilisation and sharing costs is the key to getting value out of them.'"
You are forgetting one aspect: what is in it for Cas? Lose a lot of their fan base and try and compete with a team pulling in twice as many fans in the same premises. If the teams are renting premises, there is no shared costs. Wakefield will agree a lease that has no relation to Cas.
Think of this way: what benefit would there be for Saints to play out of the DW Stadium? None. They would be tenants, not co-owners, and would lose half their support, be the poor relations and sink. The prospects for Cas in the Wakey stadium would not be good. The prospect wouldn't bother Wakey fans, because the ground would be regarded as Wakey's ground. It would certainly bother Cas fans.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I do think that in a rational world, Cas and Wakey should seriously look at sharing a stadium if new ones are being built, as they are expensive assets and utilisation and sharing costs is the key to getting value out of them.'"
That may appear sensible from the outside looking in, but given that both clubs have different business models that are predicated on their respective and separate stadium plans, it wouldn't work in reality.
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