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I'd be happy to analyse the issue you two have between you. Again the definition of expansion that Mr. Perez agreed with along with Officials here was an expanded pool of professional players and an expanded pool of TV money.
On the former nearly all ENGLISH SL clubs encourage and help run junior development through their foundations and academies. Salford don't run an academy though. On the latter all the ENGLISH SL clubs attract subscribers to SKY which then funds the TV deal payback......the idea our friend proposes that [i [u"Some UK SL clubs fail to do so after how many decades?"[/u[/i isn't really true..................
What is true is Les Catalans stopped their academy and are now nearly an all Anglo-Aussie team and Toulouse want to follow that....No sign of Academy level French player development nor any sign of French TV deals. Do you Snowie think stating these facts makes me a Francophobe?
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Salford, Widnes, Fev.
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thought so you couldn't wait to jump on the back of Widnes, for years they have produced talent but you kindly forget that, same with salford and featherstone
so let me you be reminded again Toronto has never ever produce any player fact, they never had an academy system fact and never intended to have one either fact now please stop the crying they are gone end off FACT
at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level
https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw
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thought so you couldn't wait to jump on the back of Widnes, for years they have produced talent but you kindly forget that, same with salford and featherstone
so let me you be reminded again Toronto has never ever produce any player fact, they never had an academy system fact and never intended to have one either fact now please stop the crying they are gone end off FACT
at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level
https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw
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| Quote ="Donnyman"On the latter all the ENGLISH SL clubs attract subscribers to SKY which then funds the TV deal payback..'"
But that is not entirely true is it?
It's Something that you state quite often because it supports your narrative but in reality it doesn't stack up. The idea that clubs like Salford Widnes Wakefield who all draw less than 5k have the supporter base to add a significant subscription numbers is fanciful. There is no evidence to prove otherwise.
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Quote ="snowie"thought so you couldn't wait to jump on the back of Widnes, for years they have produced talent but you kindly forget that, same with salford and featherstone
so let me you be reminded again Toronto has never ever produce any player fact, they never had an academy system fact and never intended to have one either fact now please stop the crying they are gone end off FACT
at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level
https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw'"
Toronto have got nothing to do with the failings of the three mentioned clubs.
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so let me you be reminded again Toronto has never ever produce any player fact, they never had an academy system fact and never intended to have one either fact now please stop the crying they are gone end off FACT
at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level
https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw'"
Toronto have got nothing to do with the failings of the three mentioned clubs.
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Quote ="snowie" Toronto has never ever produced any player fact, they never had an academy system fact and never intended to have one either fact now please stop the crying they are gone end off FACT
at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw'"
Good post, other "facts" point to Catalans and Toulouse not having Academies either let alone TV deals Sadly they offer no more that Toronto did..........
And as such are bigger failures than Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield will ever be.
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at least Featherstone Rovers are bring it back at the lower level https://www.featherstonerovers.co.uk/ne ... soon-t1raw'"
Good post, other "facts" point to Catalans and Toulouse not having Academies either let alone TV deals Sadly they offer no more that Toronto did..........
And as such are bigger failures than Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield will ever be.
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| Quote ="The Silent H"Toronto have got nothing to do with the failings of the three mentioned clubs.'"
when are you going to stop this constant raging about failings making you look like petulant child, none of the clubs have walked away from the game Widnes have chosen to do the same as Featherstone as their have other super league on their boundies two of the mentioned clubs are in the championship but you're chasting them for not having academies
Salford have budgeted and chosen do the same, ever thought that they might just want to keep afloat rather than not paying their bills
as for Toronto they did fail massively and had an oppertunity to correct it but walk away, the last time Iooked Salford, Widnes and Featherstone are all operational and looking forward to 2021
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Good post, other "facts" point to Catalans and Toulouse not having Academies either let alone TV deals
Sadly they offer no more that Toronto did..........
And as such are bigger failures than Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield will ever be.'"
I can't agree with on this on as at least they are linked to St Estève XIII and Toulouse are linked to Toulouse Broncos XIII
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| Quote ="snowie"I can't agree with on this on as at least they are linked to St Estève XIII and Toulouse are linked to Toulouse Broncos XIII'"
Oh dear! Another poster giving Donnyman the facts.
Still,the fact he seems to have made,that by promoting Leigh Centurions to Super League will lead to a huge surge in Sky take-up,when it wouldn't work while they were in The Championship, is a real eye -opener.
Sky will certainly pay out more on the next broadcast deal,now.
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"Oh dear! Another poster giving Donnyman the facts.
Still,the fact he seems to have made,that by promoting Leigh Centurions to Super League will lead to a huge surge in Sky take-up,when it wouldn't work while they were in The Championship, is a real eye -opener.
Sky will certainly pay out more on the next broadcast deal,now.
Oh,wait...'" come on you
Toronto blamed Covid for their dimise surely the reduced broadcast deal can also be blamed on covid or are you another one with blinkers
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"Oh dear! Another poster giving Donnyman the facts.
Still,the fact he seems to have made,that by promoting Leigh Centurions to Super League will lead to a huge surge in Sky take-up,when it wouldn't work while they were in The Championship, is a real eye -opener.
Sky will certainly pay out more on the next broadcast deal,now.
Oh,wait...'"
I love it how numpty's have some kind of inkling as to what and why would be the reasons for Super League receiving more funds for the next TV deal. Sky have NO competition whatsoever, even 'cheap & cheerful' Premier Sports are no longer involved.
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| Quote ="snowie"I can't agree with on this on as at least they are linked to St Estève XIII and Toulouse are linked to Toulouse Broncos XIII'"
Come on Snowy mate, Leeds were "linked" to Hunslet etc some years back but that did not provide the professional development Leeds operate now.
Superleague clubs run foundations to maximise kids exposure to RL and the best go through the academies they run. How can you excuse Catalans from having an academy when they DID run an academy in the past and it was a strong one. They stopped bothering and that was a disgrace.
They had the whole of France to recruit young players from.........
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Come on Snowy mate, Leeds were "linked" to Hunslet etc some years back but that did not provide the professional development Leeds operate now.
Superleague clubs run foundations to maximise kids exposure to RL and the best go through the academies they run. How can you excuse Catalans from having an academy when they DID run an academy in the past and it was a strong one. They stopped bothering and that was a disgrace.
They had the whole of France to recruit young players from.........
Wakefield would not get into Superleague by stating when asked about an academy they said they were[i "linked to Doncaster"? [/i'"
The product takes precedence over all. Tv money or development? Expansion can’t create development for 20 years! So the answer is TV money. Typical SL era.
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| Quote ="snowie"when are you going to stop this constant raging about failings making you look like petulant child, none of the clubs have walked away from the game Widnes have chosen to do the same as Featherstone as their have other super league on their boundies two of the mentioned clubs are in the championship but you're chasting them for not having academies
Salford have budgeted and chosen do the same, ever thought that they might just want to keep afloat rather than not paying their bills
as for Toronto they did fail massively and had an oppertunity to correct it but walk away, the last time Iooked Salford, Widnes and Featherstone are all operational and looking forward to 2021'"
You can't keep using Toronto as an excuse to ignore the issues of the clubs mentioned, as you just have.
Either way have a Merry Christmas.
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| Quote ="The Silent H"You can't keep using Toronto as an excuse to ignore the issues of the clubs mentioned, as you just have.
Either way have a Merry Christmas.'"
what issues have the championship clubs got
as for Toronto I'll keep reminding you of their issues and why they shouldn't of been in super league
yeap have a merry xmas keep safe and we'll start again next year
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Thank you for the reply.
Not sure I agree expansion of the grass roots takes 20 years. Close to home Sheffield are 36 years on with little expanded?
Doncaster is a soccer town and nothing's expanded there since RL turned up in 1952
Les Catalans are on year 14 and are more an English team than ever
London are 40 years young and have some player development
Workington have gone 73 years losing over 9,000 speccies and scores of amateur players in the process
The answer is stability and you get that best (not perfect even then) along the M62.............
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How about this
Toulouse coach Houles has said that the club recruit English players because moving to Toulouse gives them " [ia new start and a new perspective on life with their families here"[/i "The players and their families enjoy the climate, and the culture"
Nothing about giving any French players a start..............
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Not sure I agree expansion of the grass roots takes 20 years. Close to home Sheffield are 36 years on with little expanded?
Doncaster is a soccer town and nothing's expanded there since RL turned up in 1952
Les Catalans are on year 14 and are more an English team than ever
London are 40 years young and have some player development
Workington have gone 73 years losing over 9,000 speccies and scores of amateur players in the process
The answer is stability and you get that best (not perfect even then) along the M62.............'"
Ergo,over 100 years on the M62 ,and they have failed expansion.
Lots of M62 clubs have suffered financial problems.
Your easy one - liners fail to take in any of the issues affecting some of the clubs,lacking broadcast money,as they encounter external problems.
Your glib writing style epitomises the attitude of the lucky folk who own top rated clubs and benefit from money given to them for being in the top bracket - at the lucky period in time.
Wigan,Widnes and Bradford would suggest stability is not the best along the M62.
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Ergo,over 100 years on the M62 ,and they have failed expansion.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Thank you for the reply.
Not sure I agree expansion of the grass roots takes 20 years. Close to home Sheffield are 36 years on with little expanded?
Doncaster is a soccer town and nothing's expanded there since RL turned up in 1952
Les Catalans are on year 14 and are more an English team than ever
London are 40 years young and have some player development
Workington have gone 73 years losing over 9,000 speccies and scores of amateur players in the process
The answer is stability and you get that best (not perfect even then) along the M62.............'"
I think you'll find London have a bit more than "some player developement", it's something Mr Hughes decided early on was important and has never abandoned, who knows, Covid may force him too, but I reckon if it was, he'd restart it again asap as it's clealy something he values.
"Jonah Verella, Josh Hodson, Will Blakemore, Rob Oakley and Jacob Jones have all signed first team contracts with the club and will join the first team set up for pre-season training in November.
The signing of these five players takes the home-grown element of the Broncos first team squad to around 70%, which is something Ward is immensely proud of."
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"Jonah Verella, Josh Hodson, Will Blakemore, Rob Oakley and Jacob Jones have all signed first team contracts with the club and will join the first team set up for pre-season training in November.
The signing of these five players takes the home-grown element of the Broncos first team squad to around 70%, which is something Ward is immensely proud of."'"
That's great mate. I remember when LMS, Dixon and Clubb all appeared for Broncos and that was great. The 70% is fantastic too but that is across a Championship squad. That's fine if the club are competitive in the Championship, and even better if they got promoted and the London lads continued to hold their own in SL. Don't think Covid is going to force Mr. Hughes hand, vaccinations are ramping up etc etc.
Have a great season 2021.....
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| Quote ="Donnyman"That's great mate. I remember when LMS, Dixon and Clubb all appeared for Broncos and that was great. The 70% is fantastic too but that is across a Championship squad. That's fine if the club are competitive in the Championship, and even better if they got promoted and the London lads continued to hold their own in SL. Don't think Covid is going to force Mr. Hughes hand, vaccinations are ramping up etc etc.
Have a great season 2021.....'"
Not forgetting the likes of Sarginson, Dixon, McMeeken and Caton Brown. I’m sure there will be many more also.
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I did forget a couple of them. yes let's hope more and more........
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"Jonah Verella, Josh Hodson, Will Blakemore, Rob Oakley and Jacob Jones have all signed first team contracts with the club and will join the first team set up for pre-season training in November.
The signing of these five players takes the home-grown element of the Broncos first team squad to around 70%, which is something Ward is immensely proud of."'"
That's got to be a Rugby League record surely ?
Well done !
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