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| Another bucket of sand for those heads please.
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| FFS!
Can everyone STOP with all the negativity? Please?
I'm upset.
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| Quote ="littlerich"FFS!
Can everyone STOP with all the negativity? Please?
I'm upset.'"
Skrunch yer eyes up - real tight now - and at the top of your voice start singin ohh hali hali,hali hali hali hali halifax and before you know it it will all have gone away
Alternatively you could sing ,woody is our hero woody is our hero na na na na
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| and is if to prove my point, we have the three stooges above.
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| Quote ="barham red"I'll offer a counter argument to the financial prudence approach that seems to get trotted out every time we get stories like this.
The only way for RL to prosper is for someone to come in with a sack full of cash and a great idea for promotion of the sport. Effectively putting all the clubs in more 'debt'
Unless this happens the sport will always be what it is now and probably get worse, there will be no fairy with a magic wand that makes people think wow this is a great sport I'll start going.
The international game is awful, its not going to get any better with initiatives and good will, the world cup will be a relative flop because there are only 2 good teams, one ok one and the rest are gash.
It may make a profit but it wont make a difference and we all know Australia will more than likely win it unless NZ can pull off a shock.
Even if the SL clubs worked within profit margins it is still based on 'shifting sands' as that level is fully reliant on sky not pulling the plug and lets be honest who wants to watch financially prudent clubs getting what they pay for, bang average players.
RL needs a 'big bang' moment to propel itself forward and unfortunately that will only come with a big bundle of cash, clubs running in debt backed by cash rich investors and the best players in the world coming over with a fanfare that the press gets behind. In essence we almost need and Indian Premier League type event to be launched. Anyone know a group of oligarch's that need a hobby....'"
^^^ this
Too right. Why the obsession with debt? Professional sport is run on debt - usually to extremely wealthy dreamers who lose money. Let 'em do it for all I care. In the end, teams generally survive even when holding companies go bust. We chased a dream of a self-sustaining world of equal competition where Wakefield would be as well supported and successful as Leeds, and its been shown up for the idiotic nonsense it always was. Professional sport is generally a loss making exercise - just make sure its the rich dreamers that are ones making the loss. We whinge about media coverage, but we've done plenty to drive away money and general interest. Oh, and guess what, I wish it weren't true, but money and media interest are very closely related.
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| I have to say that the programme yesterday evening was poor in the extreme.
10 minutes devoted to the state of rugby league and 10 minutes of slanted mis information, without any facts or figures to back up their figures.
Mr Riley should hang his head in shame.
I understood that he was a RL journalist but, based on his gem of a report, Iwould ban him from all RL grounds.
Structured comment backed up with facts would have been ok but, this was nowhere near !
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| A Wakey fan dismissing a report that dare to mention financial problems in the game? Jesus Christ. It's as if the last three years haven't happened.
Come on Bradford fans, let's hear how being ripped off to the tune of £500k was all part of a master franchising strategy.
You deserve each other.
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| Quote ="littlerich"A Wakey fan dismissing a report that dare to mention financial problems in the game? Jesus Christ. It's as if the last three years haven't happened.
Come on Bradford fans, let's hear how being ripped off to the tune of £500k was all part of a master franchising strategy.
You deserve each other.'"
it didnt dare to mention financial problems in the game. people would likely have supported it more had it done so.
It just made lazy and headline grabbing statements, presented only one side of the story, and frankly made some idiotic statements that didnt even make any sense. It was like reading some posts from the flatcap and whippet brigade on here.
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| I suspect the irony of where this thread has gone is lost on those that have taken it there.
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| Ian Lenegan a great loss to London Rugby League - talks a lot of sense but he did not deny the £68 million losses!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"As mentioned by another poster, you wont "rugger" mentioned in a bad light, not ever.'"
82,000 at Twickenham this coming weekend with another 6,000,000+ watching on TV....a long line of sponsors paying top dollar to be associated with them, a small club like sarries commanding 300k MORE A YEAR then the RFL used to get from Engage for sponsoring SL, 40,000+ fans travelling to Aus this year for the Lions....but it's a conspiracy I tell thee.....
Wasps teetered on the edge last year and that was reported across the press....more so than even Bradfods demise......they Rahs get bad press too, but your average bitter RL fan prefers conspiracy theories
London owe about 10.5 million to it's owners since 2006.......they will never see a penny of that money, but it does leave you only looking at 58 million across the restof the comp!
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| £58m isn't a lot of money. But when Salford can't even pay a 12 month old bill for a Halifax team bus it does take the gloss off the label" super" somewhat.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Wasps teetered on the edge last year and that was reported across the press....more so than even Bradfods demise......they Rahs get bad press too, but your average bitter RL fan prefers conspiracy theories
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Not sure there are conspiracy theories but more a feeling of frustration that the BBC chose the launch day to bring the subject up and incredulity that the item was actually called an investigation. It would be good if the BBC held the clubs and RFL to account, and more regularly. That's a good thing. But not on our new season launch and not in such a dismal style.
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| Quote ="littlerich"FFS!
Can everyone STOP with all the negativity? Please?
I'm upset.'" Can you tell us what you understand about Rugby League finances and where Super League broadly is in trouble? Based on what I've read you don't have a clue.
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| Quote ="littlerich"A Wakey fan dismissing a report that dare to mention financial problems in the game? Jesus Christ. It's as if the last three years haven't happened.
Come on Bradford fans, let's hear how being ripped off to the tune of £500k was all part of a master franchising strategy.
You deserve each other.'"
You are missing the point Rich
This report said rock all, it just threw in various unsubstantiated "facts" without mentioning any specifics whatsoever and all just a few short days before the new season and this from a guy ,that many thought was a RL fan ???
You really must try not to be bitter about Fax not being in SL yet, your time will come.
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| I seriously hope not! It's not fit for purpose mate.
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| Quote ="MjM"Can you tell us what you understand about Rugby League finances and where Super League broadly is in trouble? Based on what I've read you don't have a clue.'"
Little Rich is a Self Confessed Genius supporting a club which is now stable after years of financial mismanagement from David Brook & Stan Ackroyd upwards. He know a lot more than everyone else put together on here and he also is level headed with 2 gigantic chips on his shoulder ensuring safety. He should get out more.
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| Quote ="MjM"Quote ="littlerich"FFS!
Can everyone STOP with all the negativity? Please?
I'm upset.'" Can you tell us what you understand about Rugby League finances and where Super League broadly is in trouble? Based on what I've read you don't have a clue.'"
Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford gone bust in three years. Salford on the brink. That's over a quarter of the current SL clubs. Does that sit comfortably with you? I'm not saying SL is doomed, I'm saying that there is a problem that needs addressing but the first time someone puts their head above the parapet they get it shot off. It shows massive insecurity. Go and talk to the directors and benefactors of these clubs and tell me there isn't a problem. It's not insurmountable but it's there. Deal with it.
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Quote ="MjM"Can you tell us what you understand about Rugby League finances and where Super League broadly is in trouble? Based on what I've read you don't have a clue.'"
Little Rich is a Self Confessed Genius supporting a club which is now stable after years of financial mismanagement from David Brook & Stan Ackroyd upwards. He know a lot more than everyone else put together on here and he also is level headed with 2 gigantic chips on his shoulder ensuring safety. He should get out more.'"
Yep - and the lesson is there in Halifax for all to see. Massively reliant on a sugar daddy and when that daddy left the club it was brought to its knees. It will happen again to another club. Benefactors aren't immortal.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Yep - and the lesson is there in Halifax for all to see. Massively reliant on a sugar daddy and when that daddy left the club it was brought to its knees. It will happen again to another club. Benefactors aren't immortal.'" Why did that sugar daddy leave again?
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| Two things:
The fans hacked him off through irrational behaviour.
The "hobby" became too expensive.
It's no co-incidence that he packed in when the asset value of owning players plummeted and with the death of the transfer fee.
Why he left is irrelevant. The results of him leaving isn't. I'm not saying clubs should walk away from SD's but the business model HAS to change. I think Koukash is about to do that at Salford.
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| Quote ="littlerich"Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford gone bust in three years. Salford on the brink. That's over a quarter of the current SL clubs. Does that sit comfortably with you? I'm not saying SL is doomed, I'm saying that there is a problem that needs addressing but the first time someone puts their head above the parapet they get it shot off. It shows massive insecurity. Go and talk to the directors and benefactors of these clubs and tell me there isn't a problem. It's not insurmountable but it's there. Deal with it.'"
You haven't actually understood anything posted on this thread, have you?
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| Quote ="littlerich"Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford gone bust in three years. Salford on the brink. That's over a quarter of the current SL clubs. Does that sit comfortably with you? I'm not saying SL is doomed, I'm saying that there is a problem that needs addressing but the first time someone puts their head above the parapet they get it shot off. It shows massive insecurity. Go and talk to the directors and benefactors of these clubs and tell me there isn't a problem. It's not insurmountable but it's there. Deal with it.'"
I dont think that anyone would mind if there was a programme digging into the finances of RL (or any other sport for that matter) but, this programme clearly didnt manage to do this.
Obviously, the number of clubs that have struggled financially in such a short time is a worry for most RL fans and shouldn't be ignored and i'm sure that Big Nige and his buddies at Red Hall will be looking at such matters
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