Surely if we got the rules changed for all the clubs, without needing it ourselves, that's got to be a good thing?

It is a special dispensation as Wigan had it shoehorned through to suit them at a time they wanted it. They wanted it, not to keep Tomkins, but to sign the 5 players they've subsequently signed. It's also a bit of a concern than none of Wigan's signings for next season are eligible for England.

We lost something like 6 players end of last season. Using that money on the cap for Sam Tomkins new deal means we would be 6 players down. We could of just said bye Sam go to union and then England would be a lot worse off.

The extra money that has been dispensated will all be going to Tomkins and the rest of the signings will fit under the cap as normal.

Im sure Lauaki can switch to England if he wants.

Wigan just re-signed Josh Charnley on an improved contract.
Which country does he play for if its not England?

I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.

Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?

Out of interest Saddened, if you are now classing Welsh players as being overseas signings (basically), who did that Legendary player who retired recently and now has a statue at your new stadium play for? Is he home grown?

Plus Lauaki, and Tomkins' doubled salary.

+ O'Carroll. Who I imagine Dudson is a straight replacement for.

In which case they should have plenty of cap space to accommodate any increase in Tomkins salary.



That's not the issue. The issue is that these were signed AFTER the dispensation was granted thus indicating that they did not need the special dispensation in the first place!

The facts:

[uOUT[/u

Hoffman
Coley
Deacon
J Tomkins
O'Carroll
Pryce
Ben Davies


[uIN[/u

Lauaki
Dudson
Flower
Lloyd (Into the U18's Academy)

Gelling (Rumoured).


[uIMPROVED CONTRACTS[/u

S. Tomkins (Significant Increase)
Charnley (Unknown)

Begs the question why you needed the "special dispensation" in the first place........

they needed it so they could sign all these new players AFTER giving sam tomkins a big pay rise.

All the players we have signed are under the cap as per normal. The only extra above the cap is the difference between Sam Tomkins old contract and Sam Tomkins new contract. If that is too hard for some people to understand then they are pretty stupid

How is it a special dispensation when it applies to all teams? Its just a change to the cap rules to recognise home grown English talent, something which most fans of every team have been calling for for ages.

You're right, it's not hard to understand. Wigan ask RFL if they can break the cap and pay Tomkins more money and the RFL let them.

Thats what happens for the people who are the best at what they do. All other clubs can do the same for their England players too which is bang on. We need a strong England team for the good of the sport.

Would it be better to just let Sam Tomkins go to union? How about if the same happened to Roby, Hall, BJB etc shall we just let them all go?

Wigan didn't need the cap exemption in order to keep Sam Tomkins. They should have been forced to cut their cloth accordingly and save in other areas, such as not having 8 NRL players in the starting 13 for example.

Wigan applied for the exemption purely so they could spend more money. They've never been comfortable with a level playing field.

Of course it's a special dispensation. Just because other Clubs have not applied for it yet does not make it any less of a special dispensation.

They didn't need dispensation to mantain a squad of around the same size as last year, but they needed to improve the contract of one of (if not the) RLs premier stars.

Given the guys leaving, they could have given all of that cap space to tomkins, but that would leave them with 5 bodies short of a squad needed to play a SL season. Not even Sam Tomkins can do the job of 5 men (James Roby maybe).

As if Wigan were never going to replace bodies.

I don't know what you're all crying about. Even if they sign this centre, they look a weaker squad than last year, unless you think paying Sam more will make him automatically play better.

We have saved in other areas. Look at the players who have left and the ones that have come in. The ones that left would of been payed much more as a collective than the ones that have come in.

8 NRL in the starting 13?

Thats not true either unless you are picking the team for us?

Exactly, it's not as if we planned to sign Sam and then when we got the exemption we went out and found 5 players.

These players will have been lined up for ages, knowing that we needed replacements for people leaving, just because they were announced after Tomkins pay rise doesn't mean they actually came as a second thought. They were in the pipeline long before the payrise.

If it did leave them five bodies short (which is highly debatable) then it's up to them to manage the cap better and promote from within.



My argument is that given the fact that many players are leaving AND that they have signed players AFTER the dispensation proves, beyond reasonable and logical doubt, that Wigan did not actually need any special dispensation at all and merely used the excuse that Tomkins *may* go to union as a stick to beat the RFL into submission over a cap increase.


He won't be coming over for brass washers that's for sure - thus proving they did not need the "extra" cap space


That's irrelevant.

In which case, why not announce them *before* the Tomkins ruling?

Exactly.

If the rules weren't changed Wigan would have had 2 x options

1/ Give ST the money, and then play with a ridiculously low Squad (Been there done that, not a great idea) as they are tied into existing contracts. Let other youngsters leave to experience their system of bringing youth through that if it was any good they wouldn't need the young Wigan lads in the first place!

2/ Not give him the money and then use ST's existing money to reinvest in other signings to replace him and see ST join Union along with his Brother which benefits nobody in RL than the Narrow Minded Wigan hating Brigade!

Does anyone for 1 minute not think that Wigan had most of these signings lined up most of last year (I knew about 3 of them back in August!) but needed to wait on the agreements of the new rules that if I'm not mistaken probably 90% of people on here have been calling for the last 3/4 years? If the rules hadn't been agreed we would have either not signed these new players or Sam would have gone.
Quite simple really.