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| Quote ="jpmac452"Maybe forget about Burgess...Has he not damaged his ankle badly?'"
Then I'd have to put in Joel Tomkins.
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| Quote ="jpmac452"Maybe forget about Burgess...Has he not damaged his ankle badly?'"
He's out for 6 weeks then they can look at his ankle again.
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| Quote ="cadoo"1. Sam Tomkins
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Michael Shenton/Chris Bridge
4. Joel Tomkins
5. Jermaine McGillvary
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Sam Burgess
13. Sean O'Loughlin
14. Adrian Morley
15. Ben Westwood
16. Eorl Crabtree
17. Kevin Sinfield
A few tough choices. Danny McGuire and Jamie Peacock have not played enough rugby for me for the mid-season test. Towards the end of the year they'll be in the squad for sure. Kevin Sinfield over Luke Robinson/Shaun Lunt was tough, but his form at the moment is excellent and his ablilty to play 6, 9 and 13 very effectively edges him in front for me. Eorl Crabtree at prop might be the last controversial selection, but the bloke has ALWAYS caused he Aussies problems and I would love to see him given a shot. He offers something different going forward due to his size and can find a neat offload too.'"
The main problem I can see with the backline is that Joel Tomkins is still learning his trade as a centre and playing right centre for Wigan. With Shenton and Bridge both preferring right centre, that would leave Tomkins on the left in the international game and I would worry about his defensive reading of the game
We could move Bridge to the left and I am sure he could cope or we could look at one of Yeaman or Whelam etc
I would also have Lunt on the bench ahead of Sinfield as I think you need impact off the bench – for me Sinfield is a starter in a team with a major role to play or not there at all, he is not an impact player
Lastly – I’m sure you didn’t mean Morley as a starter and on the bench... who would be your other interchange forward? I think Joel Tomkins would be a very good bench player internationally now as he can cover the back row and the back line
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| Quote ="Dunbar"The main problem I can see with the backline is that Joel Tomkins is still learning his trade as a centre and playing right centre for Wigan. With Shenton and Bridge both preferring right centre, that would leave Tomkins on the left in the international game and I would worry about his defensive reading of the game
Lastly – I’m sure you didn’t mean Morley as a starter and on the bench... who would be your other interchange forward? I think Joel Tomkins would be a very good bench player internationally now as he can cover the back row and the back line'"
I'd have Shenton and Bridge in the centres as well at the minute, I think if Tomkins keeps adapting well to the centre birth then Shenton may be at risk as I think Bridge is a quality player.
A backline of Tomkins, Briscoe, Shenton, Bridge and A.N.Other looks a bit stronger than it has for a while, I'd actually consider putting Atkins on the wing outside Bridge. I don't think McGillvary (Sp?) is ready yet, and imo Foster is just a bit lightweight still. Atkins however is quick and strong, I just think he's a winger playing in the centre position.
I think with S. Burgess out then Joel needs to be in the 17 somewhere, Ellis (if he comes back) + Westwood are both workhorses, Joel would be a bit different and a bit more attacking perhaps, as well as being able to cover in the backline.
I also wouldn't have Sinfield near the side, O'Loughlin should clearly be the LF for England, and if you have alternatives at hooker like Lunt (my preference probably) or Robinson then I don't see a massive need for Sinfield.
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| Quote ="Dunbar"From what I've seen of the two, both look good prospects but Clark is more dangerous going forward'"
We are seeing three young English hookers playing tonight in McShane, Milner and Clark. They have all had pretty good games with McShane edging it with two very good passes from dummy half leading to tries
I still think that Clark is the most dangerous runner of the three though
What I do know is that we are not short of quality young hookers in Super League and we there will be plenty of competition over the next few years for international jerseys
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| if foster didnt score kick goals he would get half the praise he gets. most tries he scores are shoe ins. fair enough hes done well to get in for some tight ones but thats all he does. he doesnt beat a man himself to score great solo tries (not that iv seen!) and he doesnt fill me with much optimism when bringin the ball out on his own line. you only have to look at ade gardener how playing in a good team with good centres can get you alot of tries and good carear in the game!!
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| Get that tall winger with the funny accent called up from the 20s!
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| I think Jerry is way better for his power and his ability. Foster can score tries, but can't battle to get them, something I think McGilvary has.
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| the thing is people moan when we dont pick form players, foster and jerry are the form wingers in SL.
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| Some NRL stats to look at
[urlhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/numbers-attest-to-melbourne-storm-five-eighth-gareth-widdops-progress/story-e6frfgbo-1226047142576[/url
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| There was a valid argument (wrongly IMO) that Widdop was fast tracked too early last year and the fact that he had only 1 NRL game behind him opened us up to ridicule by Ausie fans. I think some fans took against him for those reasons but to be fair he took his chances last year and the experience he gained will have been invaluable.
This year he's the 1st choice No6 in a team widely tipped to go all the way, he's being credited as a major reason for the Storms potency and as the stats in the link above show, he's up there with Thurston & Marshall after 10 games of the season.
It's a shame he won't get to work with Broughy before the four Nations but even so I think we'll see the beginnings of a very potent halfback partnership that could serve us for the next four or five years.
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"the thing is people moan when we dont pick form players, foster and jerry are the form wingers in SL.'"
But then I'd say someone like Charnley is scoring more than either of them at the minute.
i think Briscoe is the most quality English winger in SL, he's playing well and I think should be one of the first names on the team sheet. Either Foster or McG on the other wing I wouldn't mind.
Another name I wanna throw into the mix for the props is Lee Mossop though, having a huge year on the sly.
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| Quote ="Wire-in-the-blood"What's the logic behind his move from 1 to 6? Last I saw of him he was tearing things up from fullback, did he move forward to accommodate Slater? Certainly as good as Tomkins without the awful attitude.'"
Accommodate Slater? Widdop was not the incumbent who suddenly shifted for Billy Slater. His chance has come about because Finch has moved to Wigan.
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| Quote ="inside_man"If Foster didn't kick conversions, I don't think he'd be anything special as an out and out winger, whereas Briscoe definately is IMO.'"
briscoe is light years ahead of foster as a rugby league player.
and thats being kind.
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| Foster will be a good clubman, good skills for a not all that athletic bloke (in rugby league terms). Briscoe will be a special player
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| Foster reminds me so much of David Beckham (and I don’t mean a similarity in looks), both have very good skills but lack the physical attributes to be world class. Beckham could cross a cracking ball and was great with set pieces but didn’t have any pace so it meant he would never be a world class winger. Foster is a very skilful RL winger but lacks the size and pace to excel on the international scene
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| Quote ="Dunbar"Foster reminds me so much of David Beckham (and I don’t mean a similarity in looks), both have very good skills but lack the physical attributes to be world class. Beckham could cross a cracking ball and was great with set pieces but didn’t have any pace so it meant he would never be a world class winger. Foster is a very skilful RL winger but lacks the size and pace to excel on the international scene'"
Oh jesus...
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| jamie foster is the same height and only 5kg lighter than current australia winger brett morris.......and brett morris is a very "english" type winger......and i've not seen morris finish like foster has this season...or obviously kick a ball like foster does....
given all that im not sure i'd pick foster for the exiles game..theres briscoe,charnley,Jmac & maybe ryan hall infront of foster
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| Foster doesnt have Morris' pace either though. If Morris is having a bad year (not seen much NRL this year) then fair enough but he's still a much better player than Foster
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| I love how Ryan Hall has supposedly slipped behind all these half-season wonders when it comes to picking representative sides.
He's got probably the best tries to games ratio over his career of any English qualified winger and is a real handful when coming in to help out his forwards. Yes he's not the greatest defender in the world, but if you're picking wingers on the basis of how well they tackle then you've already lost the plot.
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"jamie foster is the same height and only 5kg lighter than current australia winger brett morris.......and brett morris is a very "english" type winger......and i've not seen morris finish like foster has this season...or obviously kick a ball like foster does....
given all that im not sure i'd pick foster for the exiles game..theres briscoe,charnley,Jmac & maybe ryan hall infront of foster'"
iv just seen 2 pages that say jamie foster is 10 kilos lighter than brett morris which is a stone and half and when watching both you can deffinately see the difference! im just not believing all this hype about him because he finishes tries in a good team! like i said earlier, gardener has stole a carear out of it!!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I love how Ryan Hall has supposedly slipped behind all these half-season wonders when it comes to picking representative sides.
He's got probably the best tries to games ratio over his career of any English qualified winger and is a real handful when coming in to help out his forwards. Yes he's not the greatest defender in the world, but if you're picking wingers on the basis of how well they tackle then you've already lost the plot.'"
yeah sorry i don't know why i put "and probably ryan hall"
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| Quote ="roughyedspud"yeah sorry i don't know why i put "and probably ryan hall"'"
I'm a saints fan and I wouldn't be picking Foster for a rep side. He's good and solid and if he did get picked, wouldn't let you down, but, assuming we have another goal kicker on the pitch, he won't bring as much in attack as the other wingers mentioned. In a hard game where we're going to be up against it, you'll want a winger that can help get a roll on when coming out of our 20 and able to create his own chances as well as finishing them off.
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| i would'nt either...thats why i put him behind 4 other wingers
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| Foster is nowhere near international level, and IMO wont ever be. He's a reasonable finisher with a safe pair of hands, and a great place kicker. He'll be a decent club man, but lacks either the extra yard or two of pace, or power or both to be a great attacking winger
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