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| Quote ="gutterfax"yeah...like that's gonna happen
They're big on explanations over at the RFL
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Well I certainly would [iRule[/i out a bit of mischief making from other RL club chairmen, Who may ask for clarification and accidentally make that public
A club with no quota space but plenty of cap space may very well have legitimate reasons for seeking that clarification.
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| Why are people assuming that IF Dobson is suddenly available for anybody to sign him, that he would accept another teams offer anyway?
At the end of the day, when Masons correct paperwork etc all turn up in a few days, Dobson will be made reactivated in the squad, this is a complete mountain out of a molehill just because Willie Mason is involved
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| Quote ="Captain Charisma" when Masons correct paperwork etc all turn up in a few days,'"
I spotted the deliberate mistake....do I win a prize
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| surely this whole saga could have been avoided if the club had concentrated more on signing and developing more home based talent rather than flooding their squad with overseas players. and yes i know my club has just signed 2 aussies, so we are not blameless in this area either along with other clubs.
i just wish the rules on signing overseas players were clearer sometimes
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| Quote ="the artist"
i just wish the rules on signing overseas players were clearer sometimes'"
TBF I think, as another poster has already mentioned, this is a fairly unique situation that HKR find themselves in. Dobson will be back playing for us when he's fit again I am completely sure of that.
The only interesting scenario would appear [iif[/i for some reason Dobson is back fit before Masons passport clearance goes through.
Couple of quotes from Justin Morgans twitter:
# @RichardAgar As we've already said, we still hold his employment contract so he can't leave. There is actually a clause but he wont find it! about 6 hours ago via web in reply to RichardAgar
# Should have seen Dobbo's face when I told him he was getting de-registered earlier on, his face was a picture!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"there is a top 25, but that isnt really relevant here
the RFL have a register of all players, They are either registered with a club or as a free agent.
=#FF0000[iC1:1:1 The League shall maintain a register of Players and Free Agents ("the Register"icon_wink.gif and shall
designate whether the Players are amateurs or professionals and if the latter whether they
are Contract, Conditional Contract or Contract Expired Players or Dual Registered. The
League shall divide the Register into sub-sections which will represent each Club's list of
registered Players ("Club Registers"icon_wink.gif and Free Agents.[/i
When a player leaves a club or is de-registered they are moved to the 'free agents' list. Whether or not they are intending to re-join their club, join another one, or never play RL again, they are bound by the RFL's operation rules for 12 months from this point.
=#FF0000[iA Player shall be bound by the Operational Rules upon submission to the RFL of a correctly
completed Official Registration Form and other documents as set out below or as required
from time to time. Twelve months after a player is declared a Free Agent under the
Operational Rules he shall no longer be bound by the Operational Rules provided that he
has not completed another Official Registration Form. The Player agrees to be bound by the
Operational Rules until that date.[/i
now there are three ways a player can be removed from a pro clubs register
=#FF4000[i(c) in the case of Professional Players with a current contract registered with a Club:
(i) by mutual agreement by Club and Player to terminate the contract which has been
notified to the RFL which in the case of all players on a full time contract must be
in the form of a compromise agreement; or
(ii) in the case of a Negotiated Transfer, on the receipt by the RFL of the documents
set out in Operational Rule Section C1:2:4 above and C1:2:13 below; or
(iii) in the case of a Contract Expired Player where that Player signs for another Club
and the RFL receives the documents set out in Operational Rule C1:2:4 above and
C1:2:13 below. When a player has been removed from a Club Register he shall
remain on the RFL Register as a Free Agent unless he applies for de-registration[/i
But under all circumstances he no longer has a valid playing contract with said club. Therefore, due to him not being a contracted player, a conditional contract player, or a contract expired player, he is a free agent.
Nobody is arguing that HKA cant get rid of one aussie and replace him with another. Simply that for the time being Dobson is a free agent (due to not being on the HKA register, therefore he has to be a 'free agent') and that according to rule
=#FF4000[iC1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then
be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the
Board.[/i
He shouldnt be able to be re-registered this season, without dispensation.
If that dispensation is forthcoming, it should be explained why.'"
The last time I can remember this issue coming up was when Warrington had to dump an overseas player to allow them to sign Andrew Johns. I think it was Graham Appo who was the unlucky player to miss out and I specifically remember people saying that he wouldn't be allowed to be re-registered that season. It is a big call to de-register Dobson and the worrying thing is that its such a big decision that it makes you think maybe they have already cleared his return with the RFL 1st before doing it. The only other thing (as others have said) is that maybe Dobson's injury means he would be out most, if not all season, in which case, de-registering him would be the sensible thing to do.
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| Quote ="vikings 4 ever"The last time I can remember this issue coming up was when Warrington had to dump an overseas player to allow them to sign Andrew Johns. I think it was Graham Appo who was the unlucky player to miss out and I specifically remember people saying that he wouldn't be allowed to be re-registered that season. It is a big call to de-register Dobson and the worrying thing is that its such a big decision that it makes you think maybe they have already cleared his return with the RFL 1st before doing it. The only other thing (as others have said) is that maybe Dobson's injury means he would be out most, if not all season, in which case, de-registering him would be the sensible thing to do.'"
Regarding his injury, he has had his pot removed and is making good progress. On track for the 10 week time out.
I would then turn to your other point and could see no other option then Rovers have a) agreed his re-registration with the RFL, or b) have indeed "terminated" his contract (but had him sign another agreement preventing him talking to anyone) and will "re-sign" him in the coming days/week
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| I'm guessing the RFL have already agreed it, can't see HKR taking any risks with the No1 scrum half in the comp.
I guess the RFL are as keen to see Big Willie in SL as Hull Kr fans are!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"I'm guessing the RFL have already agreed it, can't see HKR taking any risks with the No1 scrum half in the comp.
I guess the RFL are as keen to see Big Willie in SL as Hull Kr fans are!'"
Guess again...
[urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Dobson-s-free-agent-say-RFL/article-3319542-detail/article.html[/url
Either the RFL lied in answer to a direct question or it's all up in the air.
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| Quote ="Kosh"He's contracted for two seasons.'"
I thought he is now a free agent?.
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| Quote ="Raised Elbow"I thought he is now a free agent?.'"
Dobson is, but we were talking about Mason.
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| Quote ="Captain Charisma"Couple of quotes from Justin Morgans twitter:
# @RichardAgar As we've already said, we still hold his employment contract so he can't leave. There is actually a clause but he wont find it! about 6 hours ago via web in reply to RichardAgar
# Should have seen Dobbo's face when I told him he was getting de-registered earlier on, his face was a picture!'"
@RichardAgar is a fake account, which means that Morgan is either in on the joke and having a laff, incredibly gullible, or another fake account.
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| A feasible explanation for all this is that the HKR board have cocked-up big time. Given that even the most sensible business men seem to leave their brains at the door when they enter the boardroom of any sports club, this wouldn't suprise me at all.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"I'm guessing the RFL have already agreed it, can't see HKR taking any risks with the No1 scrum half in the comp.'"
What has Rob Burrow got to do with it?
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| Mason was threatening to sign for an Aussie club if they didn't get him over a.s.a.p
RFL and HKR are a joke.
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| Quote ="Chris28"What has Rob Burrow got to do with it?'"
Whilst I applaud the spirit, it's not a good time of the season to be lauding Leeds first team right now
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| Quote ="Standee"RFL and HKR are a joke.'"
I don't quite see why the RFL are being considered a joke right now, Hull KR have asked to de-register a player as they have a right to do.
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| Quote ="Him"I don't quite see why the RFL are being considered a joke right now, Hull KR have asked to de-register a player as they have a right to do.'"
do they have a right to fly a player into the UK that isn't actually eligible to play?
UKBA have questions to answer on this as well.
It's far from over.
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| Quote ="Standee"do they have a right to fly a player into the UK that isn't actually eligible to play?
UKBA have questions to answer on this as well.
It's far from over.'"
I don't see why not, if he has a visa. I also don't see why the UKBA have questions to answer (other than their generally pathetically slow giving out of visas to RL players). He has a job with a British company, whether he can adequately carry out that job is between Mason & Hull KR, but either way Mason will still be paid by Hull KR whether he's playing or not.
The only people with questions to answer are Hull KR - if they intend to re-register Dobson in the future - and the Tongan authorities as to why it has taken so long for Mason to receive his Tongan passport.
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| Quote ="Captain Charisma"
Couple of quotes from Justin Morgans twitter:
# @RichardAgar As we've already said, we still hold his employment contract so he can't leave. There is actually a clause but he wont find it! about 6 hours ago via web in reply to RichardAgar
# Should have seen Dobbo's face when I told him he was getting de-registered earlier on, his face was a picture!'"
These are both fake accounts mate.
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| Quote ="Standee"RFL and HKR are a joke.'"
The RFL have done nothing wrong here.
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| Quote ="Wheels"These are both fake accounts mate.'"
Unlike Rob Crossland on the private KR board, where he is gloating like mad.
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| Quote ="Standee"Unlike Rob Crossland on the private KR board, where he is gloating like mad.
idiot'"
Who?
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| Quote ="Wheels"Who?'"
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| Quote ="Wheels"The RFL have done nothing wrong here.'" Yet.
If they follow the rules as set down, then they will have done their job. If they make an exception. They wont.
Fact is, HKA have chosen to employ these players, and whilst it would gain some sympathy to lose by far their best player to bring in Mason. And people will argue that it is good for SL to bring Mason in , they could have dropped Webster, Clinton, Galea, or Green to fit him in.
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