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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no im not, Im suggesting they be an SL club in the championships, they can go full-time if they wish, but they should be looking at filling their squad with young players, that would be the point, so they didnt need to change 90% of their playing staff when they move up, they need to pick up SL quality young players and coaching staff, people who will be happy to be involved with a club they KNOW will be in SL in 2/3 years.
They may not attract masses of fans, but it will help get the message out they exist, it will help to build visibility, they can use it as time to sell themselves in all aspects and to put in place the infrastructure to deal with that.'"
but you've told us these players arn't there.thats why the game needs to move out of the heartlands.
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| Quote ="j.c"but you've told us these players arn't there.thats why the game needs to move out of the heartlands.'"
Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"yes
well no, that would be the point.
for a change you have completely misunderstood a very simple point.'"
Maybe they fill their squad with these players and end up getting relegated , that will prepare them for SL , or maybe they should be excempt from that as well , then a club finishing higher can be relegated instead
I haven't misunderstood anything , you are talking bollox and contradicting yourself again , as you do all the time
These ' facilities ' , like what exactly ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?'"
so your only talking about expansion clubs ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Who mentioned this hypothetical club being in the heartlands?'"
So this hypothetical club outside the heartlands fills its squad with young SL quality players from where and paid for by who ?
This SL quality coaching staff , they move to this hypothetical club outside the heartlands , stay there for 3 years and paid for by who ?
Who pays ?
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| Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...'"
Pepe's talking a rest , and your not worth the effort , you're too easy , as was proved a couple of days ago by littlerich
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Yey. Another "see who is the most wrong" b*tch-fest between Smokey and Starbug...'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Maybe they fill their squad with these players and end up getting relegated , that will prepare them for SL , or maybe they should be excempt from that as well , then a club finishing higher can be relegated instead '" maybe they will, it isnt likely though.
Quote I haven't misunderstood anything , you are talking bollox and contradicting yourself again , as you do all the time '" so why did you repeat three times something i had already told you was wrong?
Quote These ' facilities ' , like what exactly ?'" i have aready listed them for you
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| Quote ="j.c"so your only talking about expansion clubs ?'"
well, i would expect any heartland clubs with SL ambitions are already in the championships.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So this hypothetical club outside the heartlands fills its squad with young SL quality players from where and paid for by who ?
This SL quality coaching staff , they move to this hypothetical club outside the heartlands , stay there for 3 years and paid for by who ?
Who pays ?'"
the club pays.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"maybe they will, it isnt likely though.
so why did you repeat three times something i had already told you was wrong?
i have aready listed them for you'"
Why isn't it likely ?
Repeat what ?
No you havent , what ' facilities ' exactly ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Why isn't it likely ? '"
Are you asking why it isnt likely a group of SL quality young players wouldnt be relegated from the Championship? it seems fairly self-evident to be honest.
Quote Repeat what ?'" look back you will see. Its fairly obvious, i helpfully pointed out to you which is how we got here.
Quote No you havent , what ' facilities ' exactly ?'" look on the previous page, i listed what the club could prepare for their entry into SL. You know 'facilities and stuff'
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"well, i would expect any heartland clubs with SL ambitions are already in the championships.'"
So you mean any heartland club can apply for SL , and if they are accepted be given 3 years in the Championship to prepare , and they prepare by being a Championship club ?
And yet you have argued many times that the Championship cannot prepare a club for SL , you need to put a club IN SL for it to become a SL club
Contradiction time
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you mean any heartland club can apply for SL , and if they are accepted be given 3 years in the Championship to prepare , and they prepare by being a Championship club ?
And yet you have argued many times that the Championship cannot prepare a club for SL , you need to put a club IN SL for it to become a SL club
Contradiction time'"
i would give ones in that position a year or two to prepare. Yes.
I have already pointed out the difference to you, look on the previous page,
EDIT: in fact to save ourselves the fannying about of you desperately trying to avoid admitting you have no point
Quote ="SmokeyTA"I've have argued you can't grow an SL club in the championships, and i dont believe you can.
But i certainly think you can put the infrastructure in place and prepare very well for SL, and benefit from that preparation time whilst in the Championships.'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"the club pays.'"
So a non heartland club with probably very few fans pays for SL quality juniors and a SL quality coaching team ?
Oakley doakley
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| Quote ="Starbug"So a non heartland club with probably very few fans pays for SL quality juniors and a SL quality coaching team ?
Oakley doakley
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a championship club with the guarantee of SL in 2/3 years yes.
In fact i would be happy giving them 2/3 years of SL money whilst they prepare.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"=#FF0000Are you asking why it isnt likely a group of SL quality young players wouldnt be relegated from the Championship? it seems fairly self-evident to be honest. look back you will see. Its fairly obvious, i helpfully pointed out to you which is how we got here.
look on the previous page, i listed what the club could prepare for their entry into SL. You know 'facilities and stuff''"
You obviously dont know much about Championship RL then do you
2 nd bit , sorry youv'e lost me
What ' facilities and stuff ' ? exactly
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| Quote ="Starbug"You obviously dont know much about Championship RL then do you '" are you saying championship quality players are better than SL quality players/? because otherwise you dont seem to be making a point.
Quote 2 nd bit , sorry youv'e lost me '" it was fairly simple so im not surprised.
Quote What ' facilities and stuff ' ? exactly'"
look on the previous page
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"a championship club with the guarantee of SL in 2/3 years yes.
In fact i would be happy giving them 2/3 years of SL money whilst they prepare.'"
Aahh , right now then thats better , so you'd give them SL money in the Championships so they can buy better players and coaching staff , that will do wonders for the credibility of the Championships , you really are funny at times , anyway keep digging , you'll be in China in a bit
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| Quote ="Starbug"Aahh , right now then thats better , so you'd give them SL money in the Championships so they can buy better players and coaching staff , that will do wonders for the credibility of the Championships , you really are funny at times , anyway keep digging , you'll be in China in a bit
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not solely to buy better players and better coaching staff,
they would be looking at younger SL quality players, and players with the potential to be.
There would also be the many other things i have listed you seem to have struggled to comprehend
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"are you saying championship quality players are better than SL quality players/? because otherwise you dont seem to be making a point.
it was fairly simple so im not surprised.
look on the previous page'"
You said SL quality juniors , they are not SL quality players , or they would be playing IN SL , you mean academy players , dual reg type players , any more than 5/6 and you'd be risking relegation
Look it's no good just saying " I'v already told you , or look at the last page " , what FACILITIES , exactly ?
Grass , balls , shirts , boots , what , exactly , drugs maybe , tell us right now what the facilities are different in SL than in the Championships ? , what are these facilities that make a RL player a SL player rather than a Championship player ?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA":1bwb2xt8not solely to buy better players and better coaching staff,
they would be looking at younger SL quality players, and players with the potential to be.
There would also be the many other things i have listed you seem to have struggled to comprehend'" and then what after that , what would you spend the money on , exactly ?
Younger SL quality players , but the SL clubs need these players , they arent going to let another club have them , or do you mean players not good enough for the SL clubs ? , ie Championship players , aah , players with ' potential ' you mean academy players ?
You havent ' listed ' anything ? , thats what I keep asking you for
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| Quote ="Starbug"You said SL quality juniors , they are not SL quality players , or they would be playing IN SL , you mean academy players , dual reg type players , any more than 5/6 and you'd be risking relegation '" Thank you for trying to tell me what i mean. Im happy i already knew what i meant. By SL quality youngsters, I meant youngsters capable of playing in SL.
Quote Look it's no good just saying " I'v already told you , or look at the last page " , what FACILITIES , exactly ?
Grass , balls , shirts , boots , what , exactly , drugs maybe , tell us right now what the facilities are different in SL than in the Championships ? , what are these facilities that make a RL player a SL player rather than a Championship player ?'" I have told you, exactly. Why bother telling you again? you clearly struggle to understand, and im not sure I can make, what is basically a list, any simpler.
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| Quote ="Starbug"So not just players , but mostly players , thats how it works [ unless of course the RFL were giving and controling the money and then what after that , what would you spend the money on , exactly ?'" Is it? why exactly is that how it works for a club guaranteed a place in SL in 2/3 years?
What possible reason could they have to spend all their money on players when their promotion isnt dependent on their on field performance.
Quote Younger SL quality players , but the SL clubs need these players , they arent going to let another club have them , or do you mean players not good enough for the SL clubs ? , ie Championship players , aah , players with ' potential ' you mean academy players ? '" I mean players who can play at SL level. Hence my calling them SL quality players. Again, a fairly simple concept.
Quote You havent ' listed ' anything ? , thats what I keep asking you for'" you mean a list of things like this Quote ="SmokeyTA"
By building a squad of young talented players, and giving them experience, bedding in an SL quality coaching, sales and commercial staff, spending two or three years chasing sponsors, selling tickets, selling corporates, selling the clubs, building interest, building visibility, building player pathways and an academy,'"
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