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| Quote ="gateaux"I think you are being a bit harsh.
The club have identified a problem with attendances, I am sure they could see that after a poor season last year the chances of getting any increase on average attendances was slim. They should be praised for making the effort to get people in through the gates.
How is selling over 10,000 season tickets a) making a mockery or b) not building crowds properly?'"
Because you're letting people attend a full season's worth of home games for the price of 3! Bradford are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in RL, could you imagine Manchester United or Leicester Tigers doing the same thing?! I just find it so hard to belief that a club which built an average of 15,000 and was taking more fans away then many were getting for home fixtures has had to do this.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Because you're letting people attend a full season's worth of home games for the price of 3!
Bradford are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in RL, could you imagine Manchester United or Leicester Tigers doing the same thing?!
I just find it so hard to belief that a club which built an average of 15,000 and was taking more fans away then many were getting for home fixtures has had to do this.'"
4 and 3/4 to be more precise. It's a fantastic deal. I think labeling it as a desperate maneuver is slightly OTT and in reality, if it was your club doing it, you wouldn't have labeled it as that!
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| Quote ="Roofs"Because you're letting people attend a full season's worth of home games for the price of 3!
Bradford are supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in RL, could you imagine Manchester United or Leicester Tigers doing the same thing?!
I just find it so hard to belief that a club which built an average of 15,000 and was taking more fans away then many were getting for home fixtures has had to do this.'" Times change though and the club identified it and took action.
If they hadn't done anything and they had lower attendances again next season there would have been thread after thread on here of people criticising them for the lack of support. Now they have done something to try to counter the decline people are still criticising. Very much a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't it seems!!
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| Quote ="Paul124897"4 and 3/4 to be more precise. It's a fantastic deal. I think labeling it as a desperate maneuver is slightly OTT and in reality, if it was your club doing it, you wouldn't have labeled it as that!'"
In all seriousness if my club was forced to try something like that I would be very, very concerned about the future (to say the least). And like I said this is coming from someone who likes Bradford and would love to see them back in the top 3 or 4 regularly.
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| Quote ="Roofs"gave away passes at £60 each.
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You're not giving something away if the customer pays for it HTH
Oh, and if there wasn't the threat of relegation, Wigan's crowds that year would not have been anywhere near that.
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| Quote ="gateaux"Times change though and the club identified it and took action.
If they hadn't done anything and they had lower attendances again next season there would have been thread after thread on here of people criticising them for the lack of support. Now they have done something to try to counter the decline people are still criticising. Very much a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't it seems!!'"
Not really, a top 6 finish would do more benefit then letting people have cheap entry for one season.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Not really, a top 6 finish would do more benefit then letting people have cheap entry for one season.
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It's hard to get a top 6 finish without having the funds to put on a team with a high enough quality of players to do so.
What the pledge has done, is given us the funds to spend the SC, and then a top 6 finish is what will keep the fans at Odsal.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Not really, a top 6 finish would do more benefit then letting people have cheap entry for one season.
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According to a number of posters on here the club see this as something that is doable for the long term with only small increases.
Of course to keep interest up they need to back it up with on the pitch success but this is going to get people through the gates in the first place which is half the challenge. Quote ="Roofs"Quote ="Paul124897"4 and 3/4 to be more precise. It's a fantastic deal. I think labeling it as a desperate maneuver is slightly OTT and in reality, if it was your club doing it, you wouldn't have labeled it as that!'"
In all seriousness if my club was forced to try something like that I would be very, very concerned about the future (to say the least). And like I said this is coming from someone who likes Bradford and would love to see them back in the top 3 or 4 regularly.'" I would be more concerned if they didn't take any action to try to get people into the games.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"You're not giving something away if the customer pays for it HTH
Oh, and if there wasn't the threat of relegation, Wigan's crowds that year would not have been anywhere near that.'"
You know what I mean.
And that's exactly why promotion and relegation should be reinstated IMO.
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| Quote ="Roofs"In all seriousness if my club was forced to try something like that I would be very, very concerned about the future (to say the least). And like I said this is coming from someone who likes Bradford and would love to see them back in the top 3 or 4 regularly.'"
as a fan of hull kr and considering the significant losses you post every year ( see your accounts are late in yet again ) you'd be better served worrying what your own club is doing in trying to sort out your own finances which are in a far worse state than ours. Should hudgell walk away your dead in the water. Bradford on the other hand are managed sustainably without the need for a sugar daddy (not that we'd turn one away ).
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Can you remember how? Something like signing up for example the best prop in the world (Fielden), the Bulls' coach (Noble) etc etc and generally pushing the boat out big stylee. Thus creating a feelgood factor in adverse circumstances, and thus in very many respects doing what the Bradford board have done - taking significant action to halt a decline.
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With regards to Wigan in 2006, Noble only arrived in Round 11 (which he won) when Wigan were stuck firmly to the bottom of the pile, he then went on to lose his next six games - so that 'good feeling' went pretty quick. Only when Fielden came along on the 18th June did Wigan's performances pick up - at this point Wigan had only won two league games out of sixteen (and with only twelve games left).
Yet Wigans home attendances were:
Fri 17 Feb Leeds Rhinos Home Lost 16-24 17,281
Fri 24 Feb Huddersfield Giants Home Won 36-20 11,623
Fri 10 Mar Warrington Wolves Home Lost 12-24 16,640
Mon 17 Apr Harlequins Home Lost 18-30 12,329
Fri 5 May Castleford Tigers Home Lost 24-30 12,484
Sat 27 May St Helens Home Lost 14-28 18,358
Average 14,786
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| Werent Huddersfield shot down a couple of years ago for doing a cheap ST deal??
or is it a case of its a bloody brilliant idea if any other club does it ? just wondering why Bradford, who have had plenty of success and fans recently, are being commended for doing this but my club were giving an abundance of grief for trying to get our fan base up ?
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Werent Huddersfield shot down a couple of years ago for doing a cheap ST deal??
or is it a case of its a bloody brilliant idea if any other club does it ? just wondering why Bradford, who have had plenty of success and fans recently, are being commended for doing this but my club were giving an abundance of grief for trying to get our fan base up ?'"
Its not an unreasonable point. Not at all.
I think one big difference is that you have a wealthy owner and Bulls do not. Maybe another big difference is that you were trying to improve a fan base that was historically far too low, whereas Bulls were trying to arrest and significantly reverse a scary plummeting fanbase from a much higher recent historic level.
But maybe the key difference was that in your case the Owner was making cheap tickets available IIRC unconditionally? In Bulls case, the pricing would only be applicable if enough people actually pledged up front to buy a season ticket.
In your case, it was a generous gesture from the chairman to try and encourage an increase in your too-low core fanbase. Slated by some, but as I said at the time a sound strategy where you have a rich owner willing and able to bankroll it - and fund the playing staff needed to dramatically improve the on-field performances. Lowish-risk, very sound incremental strategy entirely appropriate to the circumstances.
In our case, the club bet its future on a challenge to the fans and lapsed fans and armchair fans to show and prove they still wanted a SL club in Bradford. This after the disaster of Harrisgate, the previous administration squandering the Odsal settlement and the fruits of our "glory" years - together with a lack of a rich owner - having contributed to worsening and finally disastrous performances on the park. Very high risk emergency strategy to stop the looming plane crash, entirely appropriate to the circumstances.
Neither strategy would have been appropriate to or would have worked in the other's situation.
And, in the event, the Bulls fans and Bradford rose to the challenge, and we pulled off something quite amazing - the implications of which will likely have far-reaching consequences. You'd feel a lot better joining, working for, sponsoring, investing in a club whose fans had just given it such a resounding endorsement than one whose crowds were plummeting and seemed set to continue to do so at least until things improved dramatically on the park - which with crowds now so low they likely never would.
That anyway is my take on the differences - you posed a very valid question, so I've made an attempt at a reasoned answer.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Werent Huddersfield shot down a couple of years ago for doing a cheap ST deal??
or is it a case of its a bloody brilliant idea if any other club does it ? just wondering why Bradford, who have had plenty of success and fans recently, are being commended for doing this but my club were giving an abundance of grief for trying to get our fan base up ?'"
Wasn't that more to do with the level of anticipation built up around the amazing news that Huddersfield's chairman was to announce at half time during a televised game? Didn't rumours abound about some sort of wonder signing or other and when it all boilded down to it the news was an offer for season tickets.
I seem to recall the Sky commentary team at the time were a bit underwhelmed at the revelation.
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| Quote ="mat"yeah good luck with that. be quite funny seeing look on your faces when RFL uphold any ban NRL choose to impose. and thats just on assumption that he gets a visa in first place
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You do get some sour people on here don't you.jealous because we signed Mason and just to tell you 10000 passes at 60 quid is 600000 7000 normal priced passes at say 200 is 1.4 mil you do the maths Bradford did not need to do the 60 quid passes as they would of got probably got that amount of season pass holders anyway even if they got 3500 it would still of been 700000k doesn't make sense to me
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| Quote ="hullkrforever"You do get some sour people on here don't you.jealous because we signed Mason and just to tell you 10000 passes at 60 quid is 600000 7000 normal priced passes at say 200 is 1.4 mil you do the maths Bradford did not need to do the 60 quid passes as they would of got probably got that amount of season pass holders anyway even if they got 3500 it would still of been 700000k doesn't make sense to me'"
yeh but no but except that your maths is utter sh =#FFFFFF.ite if you're maths is onn a parr with yore english then its no surprise that you cant work it out properly plenty on here have done it for you why dont you read it then you wouldnt maybe look so dumb
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| Quote ="hullkrforever"You do get some sour people on here don't you.jealous because we signed Mason and just to tell you 10000 passes at 60 quid is 600000 7000 normal priced passes at say 200 is 1.4 mil you do the maths Bradford did not need to do the 60 quid passes as they would of got probably got that amount of season pass holders anyway even if they got 3500 it would still of been 700000k doesn't make sense to me'" That example would be fine if all the season tickets were £60. They aren't.
As for the Hudds point before I applauded them at the time as I would any other team taking action to reverse a trend of declining crowds.
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| Quote ="hullkrforever"You do get some sour people on here don't you.jealous because we signed Mason and just to tell you 10000 passes at 60 quid is 600000 7000 normal priced passes at say 200 is 1.4 mil you do the maths Bradford did not need to do the 60 quid passes as they would of got probably got that amount of season pass holders anyway even if they got 3500 it would still of been 700000k doesn't make sense to me'"
You, sir, are an ill-informed...individual. Kindly take the trouble to acquaint yourself with the facts before excreting on here.
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| Quote ="gateaux"[uThat example would be fine of all the season tickets were £60. They aren't.[/u
As for the Hudds point before I applauded them at the time as I would any other team taking action to reverse a trend of declining crowds.'"
They're not?!
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| That looks to me like it's £60 or less to all fans as long as the fans are quick to buy.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Wasn't that more to do with the level of anticipation built up around the amazing news that Huddersfield's chairman was to announce at half time during a televised game? Didn't rumours abound about some sort of wonder signing or other and when it all boilded down to it the news was an offer for season tickets.
I seem to recall the Sky commentary team at the time were a bit underwhelmed at the revelation.'"
As were the fans at the time too but the point i was making was even now we still get people having a go at our club saying stuff like we only get fans cos we give season tickets away for next to nothing and ridiculed for attempting to get more fans to our matches - Bradford, a club who only a few short years ago were attracting 15,000 fans, do it too because their 'glory hunters' have buggered off and get applauded and praised to high heaven for doing something positive to bring their crowds up.
my point was how come Bradford doing it is a positive thing on thw whole and good for the game etc but when Huddersfield did it it was a joke and an embarrasment to our sport ?
Btw before anyone feels the need to attack me i will applaud any club at any level that attracts fans to our game. This isn't a complain at the Bulls, just wanting to understand why people didn't have this much positivity when the Giants did it !!
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