So what you are saying is that "Bradford Northern" want nothing to do with Bradford Bulls



Joking aside, you are correct in that people from Ilkley, Skipton and Keighley want very little to do with Bradford per se.

Having said that, I regularly see people with Bulls and Rhinos shirts on (and Bradford City, Leeds United, Manchester United) and I don't have a problem with that, although I know some that do.

What I did and still do have a problem with was the ridiculing of Cougarmania by some in the Bradford camp then the creation of Bullmania as an almost carbon copy. Apart from that I am indifferent to the Bulls and any marketing they do in Keighley has zero effect on me. I do however, think the Bulls pledge is a brilliant idea and I wish my club had thought of it.

I find it interesting that the much praised "sporting chance" run this year by the Cougars to give 13 to 19 yera olds and "alternative" GCSE is being taken up by the Bulls and Bradford City. But no doubt there are some posters on this thread who will claim the Bulls are not copying the Cougars as the the old Ionian Quoit team first did it in 1746

Didn't the Cougars nick their name from the Leeds American Football team? Wasn't all the razzamatazz nicked from the NFL? Hudders tried it before as well. The ARL had been calling teams names like Sharks, Sea Eagles, Eels for ages too.

I always do find it fascinating that the people of Kirklees as a whole find going to RL games in their own area not something they think thet should do.

But surely the blame should be laid at the feet of the clubs of that area rather than the Bulls for attempted to attract floating supporters?

That was a bit more down to Caisley, however the marketing team at the Bulls saw what Keighley had done, saw it was working and did it on a bigger scale. Think you'll find that true of most types of business. Someone does something that becomes a success and others in will attempt to duplicate it.

If you have read the thread you will find that the above questions have been answered several times

True. I don't have an issue that it was done, but rather the way it was done.

Keighley invented it all themselves, and copyrighted in and patented it. Their court case against the Dallas Mavericks is due to start next week.

Is ' blame ' the correct word , or is it more a case of looking why small local clubs cannot match larger clubs in the marketing business ?

They're happy to "blame" Bradford for "stealing" their fans. Or at least some fans on here are

So you don't think it is something that should be looked , not that Bradford are heavily marketing in Batley/Dewsbury , but that those two clubs possibly are not doing so

It's the responsibility of all clubs to attract the maximum number of fans available to them

Kirklees is an artificial creation, same as is the Bradford Met district.

Odsal IS "their own area" to many people in the Odsal hinterland just south of Bradford.

If the locals haven't already gone to a local game how can Bradford be 'stealing' their fans?

I'm sure the protectionist luddites on this thread will come up with an explanation.

You, though, are clearly way too sensible and objective and perceptive. Characteristics that seem to afflict too many Quins fans.

Incidentally, all this fuss over a few hours of a bus driving round the Odsal hinterland speaks volumes, does it not? Or that this few hours one-off is, bizarrely, viewed by some who have jack shìt actual knowledge as "heavy marketing"?

You keep pedalling this line implying its something I've said. I have neither said nor believe that Keighley "invented" [iit[/i.



And if you had any honesty you would change your user name to Bichie

Perhaps you would like to qualify what you do believe?

The whole 'Bullmania' thing was clearly pretty solidly based on what Keighley had done and, as has been pointed out, on many earlier examples of the same sort of thing. There is, after all, little under the sun that is truly 'new', Bradford, in fact, had cheerleaders back in the early seventies, no doubt the idea then coming from American Football, that's certainly what we fans believed anyway.

There was, incidentally, no reason for any other club not to go down the 'mania' route; what worked in Keighley and Bradford would have worked anywhere else. Though I should point out that it wasn't the club who installed the 'mania' suffix in Bradford, it was added in the fashion of the word 'gate' being stuck on the end of every political scandal, by the press and public. Though, once run up the flagpole, a very willing and pro-active publicity department certainly saluted it.

Odsal even featured cheerleaders, marching bands, music in the stands at matches. In 1988. Just not when the rugby league team were there

Perhaps you would like to actually read what people write.

Thanks for that, this was getting rather tedious.

Its probably fair to say that you did it bigger and better than we did, but once we were denied superleague we were pretty much dead in the water overnight.

It would be nice to get those days back, and our new directors certainly have ambition, but I personally think the moment has been lost and it will need a different approach to revitalise a small town club like ours.

Lots of emotive ranting about Chris Caisley, a poorly thought out and quickly shot down argument about franchising being protectionism, and lots of silly stuff about being raped, shafted and pirated.

What I saw within all that, I felt, was a mistaken belief from you that Keighley somehow somewhere led the way in sports marketing. And a lot of resentmet of the Bradford Bulls.

My younger son's rugby union club got a load of free tickets and giveaways today, from Wasps. I think Wasps play in high wycombe. That's about 90 miles and best part of two hours drive away.

And here we have a RL club being criticised for doing some marketing all of 10 minutes away from their ground?

This is a total myth. Caisley praised Cougarmania but said the directors let themselves down in negotiations. The idea that Bradford, who'd had cheerleaders and music after tries in the 80s were sneering at the Cougars (maybe some fans but no more than fans of other clubs, definitely not Caisley) is just plain wrong.

What evidence have you got that Bradford residents are loyaler than those outside the city boundaries. Could be true but it's far from a given.