No way in the world it can be considered a knock on either.

Also debateable whether it went forward or not.

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Many times you see the forwards start to run up field, even before the ball is played, especially the prop forwards, but nothing is done. As i said, they should be penalised for it, but its happened a few times this season but rarely goes noticed.

When can he resume getting involved? Does he have to stand still for a while? Seeing as Sinfield can't put him onside?

He can't. He is not allowed to get involved in the next play if he is offside.

There was no reason for him to be 10m offside, and that is his problem, he certainly can't then benefit from it.

99% of the time, players are behind the ptb when it is played.

Why can't it be considered a knock on?

The ball hit his hand and clearly went forward, and he didn't pass the ball, what else can it be?

It made no contact with the floor, the post, or an opposition player. If the referee called it as a forward pass, fine. Alibert was the video referee and disallowed it. He could not have done it for a forward pass. I will be happy to be proved wrong but I think it was a terrible decision.

No, you don't. I've got a few games on my Sky box and just had a view of some in fast forward and not seen a single example of it.

The forwards are usually about a yard behind the ptb, but as soon as it is played they jog forwards. By the time the ball has been passed back 10m to the kicker and then kicked, the forwards are 30m ahead, and this may give the impression that they are offside.

I have no doubts that it does happen, but these players are told they are offside and not to get involved.

Phil Clarke was wrong, as he was saying that the ref should have blown up straight away for Webb, when in fact he was right to allow playon, as the offence only happened when Webb became involved. Had he not taken the pass, there would have been no offence.

What happens when a player is walking back and the team make a break? Can they all not get involved at a risk of being penalised? Surely at the time of the break they should be ruled offside? As even if the breaking player gets tackled, they have gained an advantage by being 10m further forward then they should have been.

For a mod you really are quite a t!t aren't you?

What's matter, seeing 2 ex-Quins actually doing alright for themselves a bit galling is it?

Why don't you take up the refs' whistle? You obviously know more about it than most.

Sinfield was behind JJB when he took the ball.

Its time they either get VRs at every game or non at all. The Burrow try would have been given had it not been on Sky and I reckon Newton would have been penalised as well.

until the ref deems him onside, generally when the player who has played the ball has passed him would be the easiest rule of thumb, but otherwise, not at all that tackle.

He didn't pass it though, the ball just hit his hand, went forward and Sinfield happened to catch it, therefore it was a knock on.

Forgetting the debate about whether the ball went forward or not (I think it did), his own teammate touched it next. Knock on. It doesn't have to be an opposition player.

The only way it could have been cancelled out would have been if he had caught it himself.

A win against a poor Leeds team and everything is hunky dory at Odsal is it? The fact is both teams were poor tonight, Bradford won but I hardly think the Bulls fans will be booking their GF tickets on the back of that display.

Not really sure of your point, but the offside is cancelled out when a tcakle is made. You are only offside and therefore ruled out of play for the one tackle.

The offence is if you get involved. Otherwise from a kick return, there would be loads of penalties as forwards are slow getting back, and often only get back with play 2 or 3 tackles in. They don't interfere, therefore no penalty.

His team mate touched it next so it was a forward pass!! Not a knock on! Hence Alibert could not disallow it. It doesn't matter about the technique of how he transfered the ball, it was still a pass.

OK, so the breaking player gets tackled, does not change the fact that the player offside in the first instance gained 10 yards and going by the logic of tonight, he should be penalised.

sorry didn't read the rest of the thread.

I think it was the Saints-Wakefield game a few weeks back, i'm sure Graham got warned for it. I'm sure the referee said to him 'Wait till the balls played next time James.' I'm not 100% sure it was that game or player but i am positive i heard someone warned to wait until the ball is played before chasing the kick.

I know what your saying, and that also happens and happens most times, but i have definatly seen a few times this season players chase kicks before the ball is actually played, as i say, i remember someone getting told to wait by the referee, but not penalised. I have definatly seen it this season on at least one occasion.

On your last point there, does Webb not become involved when he is running at the fullback? Because he is putting the fullback in several minds as to which player to go for, so he must be involved?

Ohh, now FC fans were complaining about him recently I recall you getting somewhat holier than thou and proclaiming it was 1) because FC lost, and 2) because he was french.

Why the sudden change of heart?

The easiest and the most sensible and applied too.

It wasn't a pass. It rebounded off his hand, that's all. He never had control of the ball, and IMO it was fair play to call it a knock on rather than a forward pass.

He was clearly reaching out for the ball himself, it was never an intentional tap on, in fact had he not got involved, it may have gone to the supporting player anyway.

I am very embarrassed about my statement and after the past 48 hours retract what I said.

Sinfield only ended up behind JJB because JJB carried on running forward, the ball hit JJB's hand and quite clearly went forward, but he carried on his run.