whilst i agree with most of what you are saying, its comments like above, that i think annoy most league fans, and also give the impression that union (organisations, press and/or fans) and far to up themselves.

WRU should be a lot more worried about rugby league, then football. as the fans and players are much more interchangeable between league & union, rather than union & football.

My post on the 1 st page , as another poster pointed out , why be just another ' face in the crowd ' at a RU club when you can ' stand out ' at the Crusaders if you want to get a good Rugby contract

Well said, nice to have you on board over here

Not sure that's true for fans. The fan demographics of RL are a lot closer to soccer than they are to RU. Players, clearly, are more likely to switch between rugby codes, but fans of RL and RU have generally been unlikely/slow to cross over. See the absence of movement between any fans of Wigan/Orrell, Leeds and Leeds Tykes, Harlequins RU and RL, for example.

You think they cant afford any of them?


Its life, you keep hold of the good ones at their market value, you get rid of the ones you don't want.

I think the Welsh Union fans are different to the rest of the Union fans in Britain and Ireland, they're alot more like us.



There is a chance the Crusaders will be able to gain the interest and support of existing Union fans. They're not going to switch alleigance completely, but if CC start to do well there could be a surge of goodwill

before this outburst from the welsh union guy there were similar comments fearing the impact of the crusaders on RU in brigend ie commetns that the game would die, they needed help from the WRU etc.

history has shown that RU doesnt like a fair competition with RL because when that happens it always loses.

the sport needs to cheat to survive competition with RL (eg france or england).

if the crusaders are able to showcase good running RL they will do very well in wales.

wales has developed plenty of talented RL players and with the extra space on a RL field allows creative players a chance to show case their wares.

this paranoia form the RU people in wales is very typical of that sport, being seen time and again when RL tries to expand into an area where RU is at.

but the clubs they are competing with arent in the same 'market' they are in a bigger one, with a higher Salary Cap, and will be able to offer higher wages, meaning to keep the good ones Celtic will need to offer even higher wages, with a smaller cap, putting them at immediate disadvantage

so you do understand how the salary cap works.

id really like to cut and paste your comments above and compare them to a thread about the situation affecting Leeds Rhinos.

you are a dead set classic.

woooooosh

yeah thats the sound of all the hot air leaving your body mate.

keep explaining the salary cap, this is amusing.

try reading it again, you're still missing the point!

Smokey explaining how teh salary cap works.

unbelievable.

its only when it applies to Leeds rhinos that it loses its impact.

the irony

i sometimes wonder what you are reading, because it isnt what is written

Is is the same market. They all have something they want to buy.

Welsh union supposedly has more money to spend, however they bleed more red ink than they know what to do with.


The difference between League and union is that League is sustainable. In its current format, union is spending beyond its means.

Whether that is the case or not,

The fact that their SC is higher gives them an inherent advantage over the crusaders, who simply cannot compete, otherwise they will end up overspending on welsh players (relative to their value in our market) to keep them away from the WRU clubs (who wouldn’t be overspending in their market)

Its the same market!


Players are able to switch codes....they are all in the same market.

Some can pay more than others.....but its the same market!

No, it isnt, its two separate ones, the RL market for RL players and an RU market for RU players,

Some players can be both RU and RL players, some cant,

RL operates under a salary cap, and a players value in that market (the market to RL clubs) is decided as the relative worth under an SC

RU operates under a different salary cap, and a players value in that market (the market to RU clubs) is decided as the relative worth under that SC

When players cross over, RL is at a disadvantage because a players market worth in the RL market is decided as a relative worth within a smaller SC, so when players are available to both markets, we lose because we aren’t offering the same amounts

Do you understand?

Ill give you an example, an average centre in this country in RL may earn £60k a year, the average centre in RU may earn £70k per year, an average centre wants to test his worth on the market, the RL club would have to pay £70k to match his RU wages, but this is £10k more than he is worth on the RL market, therefore they have overpaid for him!

i took the fact that you were making sounds as you had no real reply.

im enjoying your explanations of how the salary cap works, quite enlightening.

Best thing RL in Wales can do is go after 1 big name with a centrally funded contract, that person is then contracted to 'sell' the game in Wales.
Shane Williams 3 years at 750k pa.

no way.

no gimmicks.

slow and steady development.

focus on season tickets and try to get crowds to 6000 or so.

You’re right, I don’t have a reply, mainly because im not explaining how the cap works,

Im not explaining the theory of gravity either, so I wouldn’t have a reply if you started pretending I was explaining that as well,

Just to clear up your confusion, im talking about the problems of asking CC to compete with the WRU clubs for players, when we are asking them to spend much less aswell

And im sure it has been enlightening for you, it strikes me that figuring out what a tap does would be enlightening to you

excellent.

selective amnesia is so funny.

can i have some of what you're on please?

smokey, dally, mind if if join in?



think saturday's game at the willows will be really interesting in terms of the standard of rugby that will be on show. i felt that leeds and the big occcasion brought some great rugby out of the crusaders and im looking forward to seeing if they can keep that up vs a team that has, like themselves, ust come from the national leagues.
if they stay lucky with injuries i think celtic could finish anywhere up to about 11th. looking forward to the game and a great weekend of rugby league.