I presume you mean not. Smith has to be, kicking out like that in such a mard reaction deserves the red just because of how big a spoilt baby he was. Tomkins is just out of control. He hadn't even got a clue what was going on there, and just mindlessly attacked the stray Widnes player after deciding that attacking the big group of big Widnes players celebrating wasn't a good idea. It's a good job there were no cheerleaders or mascots about or I think they would have copped one as well.

Wigan need to look at Wane's coaching and decide if the reputation of the club is worth anything to them. They are a recipe for disaster, a gaggle of mindless thugs would up like caged animals by Wane.

Smith should have got a red imo . 1st game in and it's all about the ref !.

Smith should of been red, Tomkins should of been sin binned. I don't understand how it could be any different. I get they're frustrated but you'd of thought with the spotlight on Wanes tactics they should of kept their cool. No excuses otherwise

Congratulations Widnes, I didn't give them a chance at times during the game and they battled through.

The annoying bit is that he'll escape a ban because he was yellow carded and missed the kick off.

Matt Smith should have got a straight red for that kick on the Widnes player. That IMO was more deserving of a red than Ah Van's red card

looooooool at this thread.

Swinging arm with a closed fist to the jaw of a player that put him out of the game with concussion is definitely not a sending off but a mild trip on a player definitely is one. Class.

Disgraceful from Child. Wet himself in the first half with Ah Van sending off, which given the new rules on sin bins is even more ridiculous, then lost his bottle.
Smith should've been red and Tomkins a yellow. Plus maybe a yellow for the Widnes player that ran in.
Plus a yellow for Farrell in the first half and at least a yellow for Clubb for a cannonball tackle in the 2nd half.

Utterly ridiculous from Child.

Turned out it was a crazy end to the game. When I loook to see who's reffing us, I feel nauseous when I see his name as ref.

Your last word, none of that at wigan!

Was only listening, but it sounded like there was a yellow card after the try was scored?

If that was the case, surely it's 2 shots at goal not one.

Like I said not seen it only listening.

Yes missed the word in my shock whilst typing it out. The late charges on the kickers are also looking like no accidents either.

Hahahaha yea loads of class in Hull isn't there

It's James Child again, how is he a top flight ref. It wasn't a particularly tough game to ref, but he made it look that way.

At least with Silverwood, Thaler, Bentham.......they've have had their shockers but I've also seen them have very good games. Not once have I seen Child perform well yet he still is given good gigs, dare I say it's probably the RFL not wanting to look homophobic by not picking him for key games......because his performances have NEVER warranted it.

Delusion and denial still reign at Wigan then.

Explain how a trip is more serious of an offence than a high swinging arm please.

Thanks in advance.

Great comeback! No really it was.

Stems from the top aNd breeds through the squad and down to the fans

Yup, I underestimated Widnes, for which I'm thankful. They fully deserved to win that and the trail of real thuggery at the end showed that Wigan have learned nothing from the Flower incident.

I'd try argue with you but you're obviously 'one of those'.

Even Phil Clarke said it was ridicolous to give a red for that as we'd see a few every game if those were worthy of a red. And that's Phil Clarke who can't bare to be unbiased to Wigan,

You could try but you'd be wrong, and that's why you don't want to.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Plenty on the East side....

I watch a fair bit of RL, not sure I follow the view that we see swinging arm high tackles every game.

And I've not said it should've been a red. I'm just wondering why some people think Smith should've been given red but Ah Van not.

A mild trip?

It's the reaction of a child. You see 6 and 7 year old kids do that when they are playing football and are getting battered.

Ah Van's tackle is a penalty, nothing more. As mentioned by the former pros in commentary, you see two or three of those per game, usually when a player is stepping or threatening to break the line and the player instinctively tries to stop them. If that is a red card, fine. But they then have to send EVERY one that does that off and there was one a minute before on the Widnes kicker that wasn't even given as a penalty.

If we're giving red for that, a lot of games would end up with three or four off and would be ruined by it. Tackles like that tonight are not thuggish acts, they are the desperate and instinctive acts of players in a defensive line under pressure.

No I agree neither should be red. Think yellow both. Smith not really nasty but it happened AFTER the play had ended so it more serious really in that aspect. Ah Van, he clatters around the head but it looks a genuine attempt to smash him ball and all but mis-times it.....given the new rules where yellow cards are going to be used more then it was a poor decision to go red.

deary me