There was no need to keep going on about it the way he did, it was cringeworthy telly at its worst.

She wasn't.

HTH

Oh climb down off your high horse will you
it's not that anybody who dies has to be worshipped etc. it's the way eddie said it, the timing etc. less than 24 hours, stuff his family will hear, it's not called worship it's called respect.
It's called empathy.
Pretentious post of the year.

I didn't see it but it does seem insensitive at best. Yes, Terry made his mistakes but haven't we all? It would be nice for people to think of Newton's good qualities too, and even to look at the circumstances that drove him to try hGH (not to condone the behaviour as it's clearly wrong, but rather to try and understand why he made what he considered to be the biggest mistake of his life).

And forget all of that for a minute and just remember that Terry was a human being who leaves behind a family and was clearly in a dark frame of mind.

Eddie and co mentioned it way before I did – so I assume you'll be complaining to them too. Kindly let us know their response. It'll be fascinating.

And at no point in history has "respect" meant ignoring facts. And it doesn't now – except to the terminally dumb.; the sentimental, who allow their opinions to be controlled by tabloids and tabloid TV.



No. And you're bright enough to know perfectly well that that was not what I said.

The point is not to avoid elements of history.

I have never suggested – and nor would I – that only Terry Newton made mistakes.

Terry Newton, on his day, was a brilliant player. Simple as. Or not. Because he was also other things.

What has happened is shocking and tragic. But let's not try to pretend that part of his career didn't happen.

What I have seen here in the last 24 hours is an attempt to pretend that some of what happened around Terry Newton didn't really happen. A brilliant player – but also a thug on the pitch on occasions (what he did sometimes would have seen him jailed if he'd done it in, say, a club) and someone who used banned substances.

It doesn't make any difference whether it happened or not, in terms of making what happened this weekend a tragedy: for (as I have repeated, over and over) a still-young Terry Newton himself and all those he loved (I hate to think what his loved ones must be going through – and, indeed, what he was going through when he felt that that was the only alternative open to him). This is, quite simply, utterly tragic. So one and all, bear that in mind: being truthful does not mean that one is trying to do down someone.

But please, can we grow beyond the tabloid bølløcks and see that the story of Terry Newton is a complex one, and to suggest other than sainthood is NOT disrespectful.

Well it goes to show how people take things differently because I thought that was said with a great deal of sadness in his voice. I took him to mean that it's such a shame that he will be remembered by people as a cheat and being banned from the game at the time of his death for using HGH as opposed to purely being remembered as a player of such high calibre. He was right too, all the reports of his death have been "drug cheat rugby league star Newton " or "banned RL player Terry Newton" as opposed to "Rugby League star/legend/player Terry Newton" and that is a shame.

For someone who is part of the RLFANS admin team you are such an idiot!

Terry made a terrible mistake by taking HGH but I don't think alot of people realised that he was diagnosed with depression 2 years ago following the tragic death of his sister. And all you want to do is pretty much have a pop at a deadman? He made a mistake, he suffered the consequences, he has payed the ultimate price for this mistake which has stuck on his mind.

Everyone makes mistakes and terry would of been the first to admit that he made alot of mistakes but he shouldn't be remembered for that. He should be remembered for the 100 percent effort and commitment he gave every week and for being such a genuine man.

In my opinion when somebody so young dies Sport goes out of the window and human nature kicks in. Clearly not for somebody like you. Terry has left behind 2 beautiful daughters and his wife. It is them I feel for and for his children whoose daddy will now miss them growing up and blossoming into young women.

You really need to think before you post and should be ashamed of what you said.

RIP Terry, you will be remembered in my house for playing your heart out every time for wigan!

Absolutely disgraceful post. You should be ashamed.

How immature is that, 'they said it first' and you were the one getting all high and mighty about intellect.
No giving respect doesn't mean having to ignore facts, but it should mean not shouting off about certain things, surely you should be able to see that. The 'sentimental' as you've put it don't always allow their views to be clouded by the media, quite the opposite in a lot of cases. As i said, empathy, and tact.
Its very clear in this situation that it's not what eddie said (because yes thats true) but the timing, the people, and everything about the situation was wrong for him to coem out with something like that. Don't be so literal about things, you've come across as the type to be overly pedantic already, but it's not the place.

Oh dear – stating a fact is a disgrace now.



Kindly quote what I have posted that is factually inaccurate.

Please, be free. Try facts rather than an appeal to sentimentality.

I'll give you a clue. I have not posted a single, solitary word that has been disrespectful to Terry Newton or his family. The fact that there are a number of illiterates around here who cannot understand basics sentences is not my fault. I have always assumed you to be above that.



That's right – I keep forgetting that to not ignore the facts is disrespectful.

Hey – if Eddie said it, it's okay. But if someone here mentions 'it', then it's suddenly a heresy.

Hey folks, we have a new religion! Don't mention the truth about anything, whatever you do!

Disgraceful post, callous and cold.

Please point out the factual inaccuracies – and, indeed, where I have been 'cold'.

I have made it quite clear that this is a tragedy, so perhaps you'll have to look elsewhere.

You have not put any facts into the post

But you preach integrity well maybe start showing some and been a decent human being and mourning the death of a fellow human

[Get A Grip Mode On Can I just add my voice to those who demand that everyone respond in the same way to this event. It's clear to me that anyone who expresses any thoughts different to mine is an evil person, who should be roundly abused, and possibly killed, if we can find out where they live. Then, when the heretic is dead, we can start a thread on how unimpeachable their life was, now they're dead, and consequently persecute ourselves if we dare to repeat our own earlier opinions. I think I've got that about right. [/Get A Grip Mode Off



Terry Newton was a good player who, like all of us, had his demons. I didn't like the way he played the game, and I didn't like some of his actions off the pitch. I think it's very sad that with so much time ahead of him to live a good life, he reached a point where this seemed the only way for him. I pity the man, and his family. Rugby League and other sports have been the saving of many a troubled soul, but sadly not for Newton.

That's how I saw it too.

Less talking sense and more frothing, pitchfork-waving outrage please. Otherwise the disrespect police will be after you as well.

The whole bloody point of the thread is that eddie said it you idiot!
You are either incredibly ignorant or just cannot read.

You're not very bright are you?

I wasn't the person claiming to be.

I hope this thread gets deleted and forgotten about.

Yes Terry did take banned substances and everybody knows it, but people on here are remembering what a great player he was. Why do his flaws need to be made a point of so soon after his tragic and untimely death?

I know i've made some bad comments but this beats them all from admin aswell shocking mintball

I'm 100% with Mintball on this one.

Terry Newton was a very gifted RL player, one that sometimes played close to the line and sometimes over it! Every time he pulled on a shirt he played with 100% commitment and passion. However off the field Terry was obviously a deeply troubled man, battling with depression and obviously the end of his career was cut short by his own cheating and use of banned substances (which he fully knew were banned).

Now the whole affair is tragic from Terry's mental illness to his career ending by his own stupidity but one of the only positive things that came out from this was Terry wanting to actually talk about these issues and hopefully help other players out and help them not to make the same mistakes has he had done. Unfortunately Terry's mental state obviously got so bad that he thought he couldn't carry on no more, and as I say this is an immense tragedy.

But these aspects of Terry's life should not be swept under the carpet, mental illness needs addressing not ignoring otherwise we will not get anywhere, and the drug issue also shouldn't just be swept away and forgotten as the issue is obviously a big problem in RL.

I think some people need to grow up and realise that Terry as well as being remember for the RL talent he was, he will also be remembered for his indiscretions and for his mental illness and anyone who 'dares' to mention it is not being disrespectful they are just mentioning one part of Terry's troubled life and his ultimately tragic death.

As a side note, I'm not sure what's going on with some Wigan supporters lately but their team has won the league, got to the grand final, won all three awards at the MOS night and yet they continue to believe everyone is out to get them, and as for the OP I'm not sure how Eddie Hemmings was having a go specifically at Wigan with his (realistic) comments on Terry Newton seeing as though Terry also played for Leeds, Bradford and for a very brief time Wakefield.

Nah mate, you wished a broken neck on a player who tugged another players shirt, that is far far worse.

On the occasions when someone close to me has died, the talk at the funeral and in the immediate aftermath have involved not just eulogies about their wonderful talents and good humour, but also anecdotes about their failings or misadventures. It's the full picture which make us human. Some could argue that immediately beatifying a person after their death, when all know that he/she was far from a saint, is somehow rather more disrespectful, due to its transparent falsehood, than a fair, frank and warts 'n all recollection which is closer to the truth, and therefore rather more respectful of the person the deceased actually was.

Personally, I'd rather be remembered as a fully rounded human being, with all my flaws, than have folks bang on about what a perfect, faultless individual I was. If they did that, I'd only be able to conclude, from my vantage point in purgatory, that they were either raging hypocrites, sanctimonious simpletons, or simply didn't know me at all and only turned up for the free sandwiches.

Can we stop with the shouting now ? A tragic event has taken place, which with the best will in the world has only the most tangential real impact on the lives of those of us who never actually met Terry Newton, and there are people on here shouting at others in spittle-flecked rage that they're not all publicly tearing their shirts in some sort of pre-approved way. It seems a bit self-defeating to me. A bit like someone at a real funeral screaming at people to look sadder during the service. Let's just stop it, shall we ? Those who want to remember Newton as some sort of two-dimensional legend can go do that, and those who prefer to remember a deeply flawed and troubled man who was pretty good with a rugby ball in hand, can do that.

Making a rash comment about a player or making one about a dead person get a grip

Terry was an awesome player who put his hands up that he made some bad choices he should be shown some respect for his achievements on the pitch