Personally, I can see how Tomkin's can change a game.
We've seen it when he was at playing away against Quins, when the game was tight early on his performance from Fullback, and then coming into the halves also changed the game completely.

Still the best halfback in the competition

despite his team's performances this year

I changed my mind i think he is better than Eastmond, Briers kicking game is what changed the game when Leeds had a good amount of possession in the early stages.

I wouldn't mind seeing Tomkins and McGuire given a go in the halves for England.

Tomkins, Briers, Eastmond, Chase, Witt and Holdsworth are better halfbacks, but ok

Tell ya what something amazing must be going on at Leeds. We apparently have a shiite coach, crap halfbacks and satan playing in the forwards for us but we have some how managed to wrap up 3 SL titles in a row. All I can say is

ALL HAIL THE SLEEVE!

Good luck with that.

Just ignore Gaslight, he'll be back at primary school on Monday morning.

McGuire is in great form. Could be an option to have him and Eastmond in the halves with Tomkins at FB for England?

He's a quality broken play runner and a deadly backup player. He isn't a player who can control a game or add anything at international level.

Leon Pryce is a better all round player, a lot better. Tomkins is as dangerous a runner and is better in the other aspects of the game. Eastmond is a player with the potential to be truly special but it remains to be seen if he gets there.

Nope. Sorry

McGuire is certainly England's number 6 this Autumn.

I don't think he's the best, but it's probabaly to difficult to say who is, he's up there and anybody who says that a player is 'miles' better than him etc. would be stupid to say so. I wouldn't swap tomkins for him and saints wouldn't swap eastmond for him, it's good to have so many options for England.

You're alright, Leeds wouldn't swap him anyway

...that's sort of what i was getting at.
That all 3 teams are happy with who they've got which is good.
But okay you can look for an argument if you want like

Nope I'm agreeing with you.

It's the same on here. Wigan, Saints and Leeds fans will all support their candidate but hey, at least we can celebrate a bit of English talent. Other clubs are no where near producing a Tomkins, Eastmond or McGuire.

shhhh, wire fans will get upset about briers and myler.

No-where near the player Leon Pryce is.

Neither are from wire's academy either

No-where near, honestly?

Hes not even better than Leon Pryce

McGuire shouldn't be allowed to even buy an England top, he has proved time and again that he isn't good enough at international level.

Tomkins is a talented and exciting player with massive potential, just as Danny McGuire was seven or so years ago. It could be argued that McGuire hasn't quite lived up to his potential (he's been dominant domestically but not internationally. It should be mentioned though that he's been nowhere near as bad internationally as is made out. He was terrible in one game last year, but in most of his other big internationals he's been one of the brighter players in poorly-coached, well-beaten teams). We'll see how Tomkins goes with that aspect of his career. Too early to tell. Similarly Eastmond.

I'd certainly rank McGuire ahead of Lee Briers and Leon Pryce in making more of his talents over his career.

Rangi Chase also deserves a mention in this thread. He'd be blinding in a better team.

Apart from on Autumnal evenings in Manchester in October when Leon Pryce is nowhere near anyone on the eeds team, let alone McGuire.

people always use mcguires failure to live upto potential at international level against him. but in reality...how many of englands top players over the last 10 years have performed well in internationals. sean long had one good game in the 2006 tri nations. james roby did ok in that tournament. kevin sinfield did well last yr. sam burgess has looked good at times. scully had some good games in his pomp. adrian morley has done well. martin gleeson did well in 2004. brian carney had his moments. no one has really performed well consistently tho.

The reality is danny mcguire is an exceptional talent who can do a lot of damage both in broken play and close to the opponents line (yesterday against hull for example). But if your always playing behind a beaten pack as he does at international level, how much can he be really expected to do.

For me, tompkins full back, with mcguire and eastmond in the halves come the four nations.