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| In his post match interview he said very little but what he did say was that James Roby was left out to give George Williams a game. That sort of says he’s reluctant to leave out Hodgson or Gale , both of whom have brought very little to the team. Roby is miles better than Hodgson and can easily play 80 minutes. Hodgson distribution is too slow. Bennett is far too obsessed with NRL players
Team should be
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Heighington brings nothing, Whitehead is a penalty machine and Hodgson overrated as is Watkins, and Hill is not the player he was
Roby is the key for England , he plays we play better ! However , Bennett will stick to his NRL favourites
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| Watkins is a shoe in, showing good form so far
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| It's obvious what Roby brings. Gale and Widdop need as much time as possible.
Nothing wrong with Watkins and I haven't seen many complaints about Whitehead either.
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"In his post match interview he said very little but what he did say was that James Roby was left out to give George Williams a game. That sort of says he’s reluctant to leave out Hodgson or Gale , both of whom have brought very little to the team. Roby is miles better than Hodgson and can easily play 80 minutes. Hodgson distribution is too slow. Bennett is far too obsessed with NRL players
Heighington brings nothing, Whitehead is a penalty machine and Hodgson overrated as is Watkins, and Hill is not the player he was
Roby is the key for England , he plays we play better ! However ,=#BF0000 Bennett will stick to his NRL favourites'"
Its very much looking that way, Heighington, Whitehead and Hodgson very overrated in what we've seen so far.
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| His biggest failing so far is his NRL bias for me. I just can't have it that Hodgson is a better player than Roby, that Scott Taylor or Mike McMeekan wouldn't offer more than Heighington or even that Whitehead is bringing more in that backrow then Currie or Bateman could (and are doing but with one out of position).
I'd also love to see Widdop at fullback and give Taylor a crack over a struggling Chris Hill. I'd go with-
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McGillvary Watkins Percival Hall
Williams Gale
Taylor Roby Graham
Bateman Currie O'Loughlin
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"In his post match interview he said very little but what he did say was that James Roby was left out to give George Williams a game. That sort of says he’s reluctant to leave out Hodgson or Gale , both of whom have brought very little to the team. Roby is miles better than Hodgson and can easily play 80 minutes. Hodgson distribution is too slow. Bennett is far too obsessed with NRL players
Team should be
Widdop
McGillvary
Percival
Currie
Hall
Williams
Gale
Taylor
Roby
Graham
Burgess S ( when fit )
Bateman
O’Loughlin
Burgess T
Walmsley
Ratchford
McMeekin
Heighington brings nothing, Whitehead is a penalty machine and Hodgson overrated as is Watkins, and Hill is not the player he was
Roby is the key for England , he plays we play better ! However , Bennett will stick to his NRL favourites'"
Percival would get absolutely Annihilated against Australia or New Zealand
Bateman simply isn't big enough to play international rugby in the back row,that is why he was picked to play as a centre
Ratchford would have to defend somewhere really safe on the field because he's a traffic warden defensiveley,where would you put him so that he was not exposed?
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| Bateman has proven size isn't an issue for him. He's making good ground with the ball and is tenacious in defence. He just isn't a centre. The much lauded Elliot Whitehead is bigger but is offering far less with ball in hand.
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| Quote ="maurice"Watkins is a shoe in, showing good form so far'"
To be fair Watkins has done ok . He does have all the attributes to be world class but he doesn't show them anywhere near often enough.
Currie can play second row or centre , and Percival deserves a run out at some point. He may now get a place on the wing if McGillvary gets a ban
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Bateman has proven size isn't an issue for him. He's making good ground with the ball and is tenacious in defence. He just isn't a centre. The much lauded Elliot Whitehead is bigger but is offering far less with ball in hand.'"
What damage would Bateman do whilst playing out wide in the back row against Australia or New Zealand?
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| The OP's team looks a damn sight more effective than Bennett's selections so far.
Never rated Hodgson, can't remember when Whitehead last had a decent game for England, and as for Heighington.......the less said the better. As for Gale, I think we need to persevere - he clearly is a decent player but not sure if Bennett knows how to get the best out of him. Whilst Sneyd can be predictable, he has a proven big game temperament - which seems to be lacking in Gale's skillset right now.
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| Quote ="Rhinos 22 Wigan 20"Percival would get absolutely Annihilated against Australia or New Zealand
Bateman simply isn't big enough to play international rugby in the back row,that is why he was picked to play as a centre'"
Agree with this. As does the World’s most successful coach, Wayne Bennett.
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| Quote ="Rhinos 22 Wigan 20"What damage would Bateman do whilst playing out wide in the back row against Australia or New Zealand?'"
He made plenty of ground last season against them and he did last week as well. He also had a superb game playing against a back row of Wade Graham, Luke Lewis and Paul Gallen over here in the WCC in Feb (with a busted shoulder).
He's never a centre but to write him off as an international back rower is way off imo. As I say he's producing far more statistically then a top NRL player in Elliot Whitehead.
Just to add some statistical context in regards to carries/meters-
Vs Australia
Bateman 19 carries for 152 metres
Whitehead 8 carries for 59 metres
Vs Lebanon
Bateman 11 carries for 118 metres
Whitehead 9 carries for 72 metres
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| Maybe Bateman might end up not being big enough to play 2nd row at this level....but I'd rather try it first than just dismiss it without giving him the opportunity.
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| Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.'"
I understand your point but Bateman has been running into the teeth of the defence throughout both games. It's not like he's been making easy metres with 50 metre line breaks so I think the comparison is a valid one. The point re: defence is a fair one but to level this up Whitehead has given away some stupid and costly penalties.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.'"
One position in side?
Compare him to Currie then he's if needs be and leave Bateman out of the debate. He's been dreadful with ball in hand so far. His work rate with the ball is poor. I'm judging Whitehead against his billing. I keep getting told he's one of the best in the NRL and that's lads like Bateman, Currie, Farrell etc aren't in his class, so if that's the case I expect contributions in both attack and defence. I'm seeing lads like Frizzel, Gillet, Wade Graham, Currie, M'au etc do that so I don't think I'm expecting too much.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"I understand your point but Bateman has been running into the teeth of the defence throughout both games. It's not like he's been making easy metres with 50 metre line breaks so I think the comparison is a valid one. The point re: defence is a fair one but to level this up Whitehead has given away some stupid and costly penalties.'"
Exactly.
Bateman has been getting bashed for not passing to Hall and constantly running in side. It's because he's a back rower and he's playing like one.
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"overrated as is Watkins'"
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| hmmmm, just trying to think who we can give you next time around, if we give you Craig Bellamy will you still bitch & moan?
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| Quote ="downo"hmmmm, just trying to think who we can give you next time around, if we give you Craig Bellamy will you still bitch & moan?'"
You may be a WUM but you're right on that. We are nowhere near Australia. Our best chance to beat them in this WC was the first game while they were scratchy. We have no chance if we meet them in the final, although I think we'll lose to NZ in the semis.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"You may be a WUM but you're right on that. We are nowhere near Australia. Our best chance to beat them in this WC was the first game while they were scratchy. We have no chance if we meet them in the final, although I think we'll lose to NZ in the semis.'"
You might be right but lets get to the semis first then we can hope
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| Roby has to play 9 in the bigger games.
His reading of the game, ability to scoot, distribution and defence are far superior to anything we saw on Saturday and that was against lesser opposition.
Against Aus, our offence was far sharper with Roby on the pitch.
Although Widdop looks good, our halves are just not creating anything and if Bennett wanted a look at Williams, why did he not start the game ?
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| Quote ="downo"hmmmm, just trying to think who we can give you next time around, if we give you Craig Bellamy will you still bitch & moan?'"
Don't want any of them, I want an English coach and English players thanks
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| I’m no fan of McNamara, but to be fair to him he got the best out of the England players at this level. Bennett’s coaching record is not in question, but maybe he just can’t coach an English team with backgrounds in this league. Probably why he picks NRL players over talented SL players, he can get them to execute his game plan better.
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| Quote ="easyWire"I’m no fan of McNamara, but to be fair to him he got the best out of the England players at this level. Bennett’s coaching record is not in question, but maybe he just can’t coach an English team with backgrounds in this league. Probably why he picks NRL players over talented SL players, he can get them to execute his game plan better.'"
Has Bennet's results been any worse than McNamara's? Probably not. I don't think an English coach could get better results than a Aussie or a Kiwi. I just think we play at our level. The NRL players in the squad are there because they have proven themselves to be able to play consistently against high quality opposition. As a coach, you're always going to go with that experience above anything else.
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