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I've been having a look at their website today, and thought I'd share.
How they'd structure their fixture list was one of the main talking points when it was announced they were joining League 1. here's their fixture list:
https://www.torontowolfpack.com/2016/10 ... -released/
R1-R5 away
R6 is their first home game vs Oxford
R7 away
R8-R9 home
R10-R11 away
R12 home
R13 bye
R14-R15 home
So that's: 6 home & 8 away in the regular 14-game rounds.
Super 8's they're playing their first three games away, with the last 4 games at home.
Ont he squad front, they're building a decent side - so far they've signed the following:
Reece Dean (Hull FC)
Greg Worthington (Leigh)
Andrew Dixon (Leigh)
Craig Hall (Wakefield)
Ryan Burroughs (USA Captain)
Bob Beswick (Leigh)
Jack Bussey (London)
Jonny Pownall (Leigh)
Dan Fleming (Bradford)
Rhys Jacks (Sheffield) (Canada Captain)
Blake Wallace (Illawarra Cutters)
James Laithwaite (Warrington)
Gary Wheeler (Warrington)
Liam Kay (Leigh)
Paul Rowley, Brian Noble, Simon Finnegan & Kurt Haggerty make up the coaching staff, with Beswick being Strength & Conditioning coach.
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I've been having a look at their website today, and thought I'd share.
How they'd structure their fixture list was one of the main talking points when it was announced they were joining League 1. here's their fixture list:
https://www.torontowolfpack.com/2016/10 ... -released/
R1-R5 away
R6 is their first home game vs Oxford
R7 away
R8-R9 home
R10-R11 away
R12 home
R13 bye
R14-R15 home
So that's: 6 home & 8 away in the regular 14-game rounds.
Super 8's they're playing their first three games away, with the last 4 games at home.
Ont he squad front, they're building a decent side - so far they've signed the following:
Reece Dean (Hull FC)
Greg Worthington (Leigh)
Andrew Dixon (Leigh)
Craig Hall (Wakefield)
Ryan Burroughs (USA Captain)
Bob Beswick (Leigh)
Jack Bussey (London)
Jonny Pownall (Leigh)
Dan Fleming (Bradford)
Rhys Jacks (Sheffield) (Canada Captain)
Blake Wallace (Illawarra Cutters)
James Laithwaite (Warrington)
Gary Wheeler (Warrington)
Liam Kay (Leigh)
Paul Rowley, Brian Noble, Simon Finnegan & Kurt Haggerty make up the coaching staff, with Beswick being Strength & Conditioning coach.
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Last year Crusaders and Scorpions both hosted Toulouse, this year Crusaders and Ironmen both play Toronto at home, dont the RFL trust the Welsh clubs to behave abroad!!!!!
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Haggerty only 27, I doubt he will be putting his boots up just yet.
Just another sneaky way of player recruitment without paying a transfer fee by Mr "morals and ethics" Rowley
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"Haggerty only 27, I doubt he will be putting his boots up just yet.
Just another sneaky way of player recruitment without paying a transfer fee by Mr "morals and ethics" Rowley'"
Someone made the same point on the Leigh board. Probably best to just wait and see really, Haggerty's appointment takes it to two assistant coaches, which is the norm. |
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Craig Hall was fantastic going forward for us at times this season so he should absolutely annihilate teams in the third tier. Liam Kay for top try scorer and Hall for player of the season.
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If anyone thinks this venture will work long term then god help us
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"If anyone thinks this venture will work long term then god help us'"
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Very rough maths:
21 games where they need to pay flights (£500 each for arguments sake) plus hotels (£100 each) for say 22 players and staff. That equals approx. £270k. Plus other costs lets say they need to make between £300k - £400k per season on top of player costs, ground costs, insurance etc
If they have the sponsors they say they have plus their share of the RFL money and if that covers their normal costs then they would need to sell about 1,300 season tickets (at $300 each) to break even.
As they get around 7,000 for international matches it might be doable.
I know the maths will be nowhere near accurate but give a flavour of what they will need to do. Plus they don't have the flat caps and whippets stereotype of RL over there so will find it much easier to get some decent sponsorship.
I hope it works as it will give us a real platform for the international game.
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I hope Sky decide to show their first home game too.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"If anyone thinks this venture will work long term then god help us'"
 here we go, surprised it took so long |
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| Quote ="HucknallLoiner"Very rough maths:
21 games where they need to pay flights (£500 each for arguments sake) plus hotels (£100 each) for say 22 players and staff. That equals approx. £270k. Plus other costs lets say they need to make between £300k - £400k per season on top of player costs, ground costs, insurance etc
If they have the sponsors they say they have plus their share of the RFL money and if that covers their normal costs then they would need to sell about 1,300 season tickets (at $300 each) to break even.
As they get around 7,000 for international matches it might be doable.
I know the maths will be nowhere near accurate but give a flavour of what they will need to do. Plus they don't have the flat caps and whippets stereotype of RL over there so will find it much easier to get some decent sponsorship.
I hope it works as it will give us a real platform for the international game.'"
In the Dave Woods interview with Perez, Perez was quite nonchalant when he answered the financial questions, saying about his fellow investors, partners such as the City of Toronto & the Mayor, deals with hotels & airlines etc, expected sponsorship deals. it doesn't seem an issue.
Crowds will be interesting. As you say, the national team pull in around 7k. In a sports mad city with a he catchment area, 7k sounds achievable. |
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Hopefully the home crowds will soon rise to 10,000 and Toronto will immediately smash its way into the Championship in the manner of Toulouse.
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I hope we (Wigan) draw them away in the challenge cup. I fancy the trip.
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Did I read somewhere they have sold 3k ST's?
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Did I read somewhere they have sold 3k ST's?'"
Yes and that was around 3 months ago.
Certainly in their first season, they will very likely be the best supported team outside SL, with KR and the Bulls not too far behind.
After that who knows but, it will be a big, big, ask to turn "failed" american football players into Championship standard RL players within 2 or 3 years.
I know that they will be able to fill their team with Aussies and European players but, their long term success will depend on RL taking off in North America and that will be a long, long process.
As others have said, it's a great "away" trip, in RL terms, Toronto is the most vibrant city in the western hemisphere and it would be difficult not to enjoy a long weekend over there. |
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"I hope Sky decide to show their first home game too.'"
they are on premier sports i believe |
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As long as the good folk of Toronto enjoy watching high scoring, one sided games then they're in for a treat next year
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| Quote ="j.c"As long as the good folk of Toronto enjoy watching high scoring, one sided games then they're in for a treat next year'"
The good folk of Leigh have John for the last couple of years  |
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| Quote ="number 6"they are on premier sports i believe'"
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I don't think they had sold 3K season tickets a few months ago, I remember there being some confusion around this but I think 3000 people had registered their interest for a season ticket, not actually bought one.
I hope they do well.
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"Haggerty only 27, I doubt he will be putting his boots up just yet.
Just another sneaky way of player recruitment without paying a transfer fee by Mr "morals and ethics" Rowley'"
There are levels of shade regarding player recruitment ...
& then there is Toronto.
*hope for the good of the game that it takes off big time over there & for the kleenex sales boost John Flatcap Dewsbury will bring* but by 6od, their recruitment strategies & techniques are questionable. |
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I don't get why Leigh fans get so peed off with Toronto would any of the players who left be playing for them in SL next season anyway
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| Quote ="i hate pies"I don't think they had sold 3K season tickets a few months ago, I remember there being some confusion around this but I think 3000 people had registered their interest for a season ticket, not actually bought one.
I hope they do well.'"
Correct,it wasn't actually registering for an interest in a season ticket.It was registering to be placed on their mailing list with an outlook to being given priority to a season ticket should you register. |
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| Quote ="HucknallLoiner"Very rough maths:
21 games where they need to pay flights (£500 each for arguments sake) plus hotels (£100 each) for say 22 players and staff. That equals approx. £270k. Plus other costs lets say they need to make between £300k - £400k per season on top of player costs, ground costs, insurance etc
If they have the sponsors they say they have plus their share of the RFL money and if that covers their normal costs then they would need to sell about 1,300 season tickets (at $300 each) to break even.
As they get around 7,000 for international matches it might be doable.
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I hope it works as it will give us a real platform for the international game.'"
I know you said rough estimate but your figures are well out, Flights circa £300 if booking just as an individual, hotel rooms at £33/night based on two nights stay within 1/2 mile of the stadium so even staying two nights is less than your £100.
that's prices available booking as an individual/couple within 3-4 minutes not at bulk/business rates.
More likely in the £150-£175k range but I would expect them to offset some of those costs anyway.
Listening to the interview earlier in the season this has more than a good feel to it and sounds more on a par with a SL team in terms of interest/organisation.
I'd be very interested in making the trip to the first home game, they even do a $99/£61 away supporters pack that includes a shirt, scarf, inaugural match book and one presumes match ticket. |
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