What does everyone think of their performance tonight? 12-0 up and handed a huge boost by the referee with that farcical red card and they've been bossed ever since. Widnes would have won this by 20 tonight if it wasn't for that card. Bar Sutton who has been hugely impressive in defense, they look a disorganised and indisciplined rabble. You would think they would have learned their lesson from last season, but it appears the scum and villainy is still a major part of the makeup at Wigan.

They are fortunate that the rest of SL aren't that impressive, but they look very average. A poor pack, average half backs, too many dumb, indisciplined players who cannot handle the pressure. Warrington by plenty for SL this season I think.

Was Phil Clarke about to say they had the best squad ever before it kicked off as well? He told us they had the best in SL about seven times then until he was interrupted appeared to be about to say that.

How did Joel Tomkins escape any punishment for charging in after the last Widnes try ?

Good to see from Joel Tomkins tonight that Wane is still feeding his team raw meat before kickoff even after the Flower incident. Even though he wasn't anywhere near the original incident at the end he ran over like a kid that's had too much fizzy pop chasing after Hanbury, couldn't get him so charged through Phelps.....what a moron.

They're a little bit tetchy aren't they?

I imagine every head coach in SL has watched that thinking how easy they are to wind up. Bunch of penalty machines, particularly Tomkins.

First 20 minutes or so Wigan looked like they would romp it, 12 men or not. After the sending off they just stopped playing. I don't want to belittle what Widnes did because a point in those circumstances is excellent, but Wane must be livid with his players.

Sky fawned over Williams but he needs to be a lot better than that if Wigan are going to challenge. Reminded me of Jacob Miller. Good feet, all the skills, but no real idea of how to unlock a defence. The attack often broke down when the ball got to him.

Having an extra man can put on the pressure and put you off your game plan. I think Wigan would have won, not lost by 20 had Ah Van stay on.

We'll never know though.

Everything seemed to go the Warriors way tonight.
So what?! If it had all gone Widnes' way they wouldn't of been any comment on it.

Wigan will get better.

Playing with no centres after the Ah Van incident didn't help us. We need to do better though, Sutton impressed me massively tonight.

Phil Clarke 'best squad' bizarre comment, though he is A Wiganner. Young players 'with potential' mixed in some very good players.....hardly worthy of Phil's remark.

Seems to me a shadow of the side from last year. I thought they were awful, nearly as bad as the ref (who tried his best to give them a victory).
But well done Widnes, heart, spirit in abundance. I'd imagine a few of the 'lesser' sides will get results this week and the league won't be so cut and dry as the bookies see it. I can see this seasons placings having a few shocks in it this year.

Got away with quite a bit didn't they ? guess you can blame Child and his mates of being scared of giving anything against them though...good, hard battle for the neutrals to start the season with !

Another classy, sporting performance from Wigan.

Wigan to be 16-0 up and a man extra to draw against a team who lost there best player (Brown) and not particular y that impressive is a disgrace.

I was quite impressed. They never gave up, and finally, in the 79th minute, they managed to get one of their men sent off. Well done Wigan. Fingers crossed you can make it red next time.

Got to be to fair about his assistant Hicks (who I watched ref last year and thought was awful) but he ran on (admittedly after obviously watching the big screen, which is an argument in itself) to tell Child he needed to act against Matty Smith.

They were average at best,ironically they seemed to be drawn into a battle after the red card, had they not they could have won the game easily, but fair play to widnes they deserved a draw, wigan got away with loads the ref was a bit undercooked but I think Widnes probably deserved it more than wigan

Long way to go so hard to truly judge them yet but Wigan don't look the team they were a couple of years ago. Disorganised and not clinical. Not how you would have described the old Wigan. They have lost their 'intimidation' factor and teams can rattle them easily.

There is a lot of pressure on Williams but I think he played well in parts and their front row is unconvincing. Tautai apart they look vulnerable. Felt sorry for Crosby, he was getting smashed on every hit up.

I felt more sorry for Mellor - he was consistently hit late throughout the game.

Well done Widnes.was thinking masacre at 16-0 and man red carded.

Despite the result tonight though no chance of top 8 for that widnes side.sorry

if he doesn't get at least 3 games for putting his head in I would be extremely suprised. It would give sufficient weight behind the 'Wigan Bias' argument relating to disciplinary procedure.

Performing poorly is par for the course in Round 1 for us, which is a vast improvement on the Noble years when we only started playing in Round 7 or so. Quite a few of our players didn't perform well enough and didn't gel, whereas a few others have let themselves down in other ways.

Logan Tomkins seems to have been watching videos of his big brother from a few years ago. There was no need for it then and no need for it now. Not only is it grubby play but trapping defenders will only win you a couple of (unjust) penalties while the rest of the time it will merely slow down your attack. He isn't good enough for the Wigan squad, and I think he knows it. We need a better back up for Micky Mac.

Joel Tomkins reverted to type. When Widnes scored their last try he went looking for trouble, in the words of ThePrinter, "like a kid who's had too much fizzy pop". Embarrassing and shines the light on us in totally the wrong way yet again.

Marty Smith let himself down in the same incident. I do think it's grubby to barge into a player in order to "celebrate" but to react to it by kicking out is utterly unprofessional. He was lucky to get a yellow on the night and he'll be incredibly lucky to avoid further punishment at the panel.

James Child had a 'mare, and while lots of fans will only see decisions going Wigan's way he made some right clangers both ways. The Ah Van red stands out, of course. It was harsh, I'm sure Ah Van had no malicious intent, but let's not forget it ended Charnley's game and was pretty reckless. If refs are consistent with head shots (intentional or not) we can't really complain. That remains to be seen though.

Well done Widnes.

I admit, I only watched the first half and the last 15 mins as I had some other stuff to do, but what I saw wasn't pretty. Can't really think of anything else to say lol.

Matty Smith has lived off his HB partner. He is completely unable to run a game where Wigan aren't dominant.

Excellent!

Wigan are a fine rugby team when they want to play but time and time again (© Alan Hansen) their discipline is awful.

And that Burgess on the wing looked like he was already imagining playing for Sydney, that was a dreadful individual showing from him.

Difficult to watch wasn't it... Wane really is starting to drag rugby league through the mud.

Hey, there's no mud on that pitch