Just watched Manly Vs Wests Tigers and Gareth Ellis has absolutely mashed the Sea Eagles. After early season injury it's taken him some time to get back on the field and a little bit longer to find his full form & fitness but he's right on his game now.

If only big Sam can get a few games in before the end of the season we might have some fireworks in the 4Ns.

Everything Aussie is great, I get it

Burgess won't be in the four nations.

correct

It's not Forwards that we need.

It's 1-7 where we need something special.

Honestly, I'd play Ellis at centre for England

For what reason?

1 S.Tomkins
2 Briscoe
3 Reed
4 Shenton
5 ?
6 Widdop
7 Brough

It's a coach we need.

According to the official stats for that game...

Ellis made 98 metres... Gibbs 127, Heighington 109 and Galloway 198 made more.
Ellis made 15 hit-ups... so did Heighington and Galloway made 21.
Ellis made 3 ineffective tackles... Heighington made 2, Gibbs 1 and Galloway ZERO.
Ellis made no line breaks... Galloway did.
Eliis missed 6 tackles... Heighington missed 2, Galloway 4, Gibbs ZERO.
Ellis made 1 tackle break... Heighington made 6, Galloway 3.

What did Ellis do again?

WTF are you on about?

Being a Wigan fan, I'd say Charnley but there's a few in contention like Hall

Did you watch the game,
Stats don't tell half the story if you think they do then you're a fool.

Yes, I did watch the game. Which game were you watching? On Friday he missed 6 tackles, made 3 ineffective tackles and failed to make a single line break. There were other Tigers forwards who performed way better than him. His performance was below his usual solid yet unspectacular. None of this amounts to Ellis "mashing up" the NRL opposition and "crushing" them on Friday



He should do OK by performing in a solid yet unspectacular fashion in a losing 4N England side in November because he's one of our best players.

They'll beat Wales.

Then you don't know what to look for in a Player and don't understand the concept of quality over quantity, a common mistake made by novices.

It isn't just Ellis. Widdop is one of the form halves in the game. And as a Souths fan I can't say I could be any more impressed with Luke Burgess. I know he won't make the England squad, but he's handled the change with ease and will certainly be in our 17 next season. I have to admit to not seeing a huge amount of him before he came to us, but if his normal level is what he has shown so far I'm very surprised that Leeds weren't interested in keeping him. Good player.

surely a mistake......most said on here that luke would be lucky to make the norths team...let alone souths 1st team




and don't count him out of not making the england squad

I havn't watched him every week like Wigan fans, but is his posisioning in defence not a bit suspect?

He won MoM on Friday for a reason, most influential player on the ground. And it was after he copped a heavy facial knock in the first few minutes.

2. ryan hall
3. joel tomkins
4. gareth ellis
5. jermain mac


how about that........its often said we lack size,strength & speed in the 3/4's....i think i've just ticked all the boxes

I'd definately play Reed, wouldn't mind Tomkins playing in the centre. Think Ellis' work rate and tackling would be lost in the centres.

Think people are forgetting that with injuries last year we had Ryan Atkins playing in the centres.

i would'nt "definitely play reed"...........he's gonna opt for queensland anyway

How good is Englands stocks?

Grab Reed, a player with limited first grade appearances.
Grab Widdop a player that was going nowhere in England and was built in Oz from 15 years of age.

Its starting to look like the English Cricket team, all you need is a a couple of South Africans.

English League is looking pretty fragile, maybe Heighington will be next.

Jeff you seemed to have a stat out - how many tackles did he complete compared to the others?

At least Reed and Widdop were born in England. Unlike the Aussie team of the last decade with Willie Mason, Petero Civoniceva, Antonio Kaufusi, Karmichael Hunt, Lote Tuqiri to name a few that arn't Australian.

Are you not allowed to emigrate?
Tell those players they are not Australians to their face,

Maybe you should tell that to the many millions living in England that were not born there.

Should players like Petero and Lote be FORCED to play for the Country that they come from?

Maybe it should be, you play for the Country you call home and plan to spend some time in.
That would count out half of the Kiwi squad.

Blimey, touched a nerve there havn't I?

You're the one who brought it up about Reed and Widdop. Not my fault that despite all the talking that Aussies do, they're still second best to the Kiwis.

And no, I don't think you should be FORCED to play for the country you were born in, I wouldn't mind Heightington playing for England, as long as he hadn't represented another Nation first. Like I said, you brought it up.