would it really be that bad for rugby league in this country if we got rid of the salary cap?

the richest, 'biggest' clubs already have the best players and pull away at the top (4,5 teams)

is it such a bad thing that all clubs are left with an open cheque book to run themselves as they see fit?

Armaggeddon

do you think so?

are the people that own rugby league clubs really as stupid as the RFL treat them?

Yep

Not just RL clubs , all sports clubs , perfectly sensible businessmen leave their brains behind when getting involved in pro sports clubs , it's a well known fact

It'd be terrible because you'd get teams like Warrington just buying any and every player they thought was good enough to offer some sort of threat to them and it would just take away from the competition completely.

.but at the end of the day it would be completely irelevent to the sl as it would be the same teams at the top and the same teams at the bottom anyway.

According to Saddened! it already has

Well, we'd go back to a similar period when Wigan were the only pro club and bought up the best players leaving the rest of the league to struggle on. Admittedly you'd now have maybe 4 clubs who'd be in that position, but how is that going to help improve the sport? Given that the rest of the league would be on for a kicking off those sides who can afford to stockpile players and that would take a bat to those clubs without money as they'd lose fans and probably sponsorship so they'd likely have to go to semi-pro status. So you devalue the competition as well as mean that the competitiveness of the league drops as well

Yes , Armaggeddon , you could have saved a few minutes of your life by just agreeing with me , it's a common occurancy yesterday apparently

Dont start me off................

Had this very arguement with someone the other day.

IMO it would be the best thing ever happened to the sport.

Shock horror, Warrington fan wanting to see the abolition of the Salary Cap!

He's probably sick of seeing the cap looking after little clubs, like it has done for years now, every club has had enough time to be financially secure now and should be able to stand on there own two feet, why should clubs like Wigan, Warrington, Leeds etc have to suffer.

Despite supporting a team that would no doubt benefit from the the salary cap been abolished, I sincerley hope it doesn't. The difference between the top and the bottom is already too big, the only way to get a decent, competitive league (like the NRL) is if the gap between bottom and top is minimal. As more and more teams begin to spend up to cap, this is starting to work, ending the cap now would be stupid and lead to times like the 90s with one team dominating.

depends what it was replaced with. There would be any number of possible outcomes dependent on many different factors. Though an outright collapse simply wouldnt happen, regardless of some peoples scaremongering.

There have been some stupid ideas on here lately.

Abolish the overseas quota and now abolish the cap. Some people must have a bit too much time on their hands

Suffer!

How is wining GF’s & CC’s suffering.

Every club being financially secure?

Give your head a shake, do you think the likes of Warrington, Huddersfield & London would be financially secure, without their incredibly wealthy benefactors?

As for him being sick of seeing the ‘little’ clubs being looked after, it wasn’t long since Warrington were one of those said ‘little’ clubs & now they’re have a successful spell, he’s advocating the Wigan philosophy.

The question you should be asking is what would abolishing the salary cap give us that would warrant the change?

The chance to compete for the very best rugby players in the world improving the quality of player and improving the quality of the league.

But surely its having a Salary Cap which needs to be justified rather than not having it.

So what you are saying is you would like to see a similar scenario as the Premiership,or Scottish Premiership where a few elite clubs battle it out amongst themselves,leaving the rest to pick up the crumbs?

Personally instead of abolishing the salary cap i'd just have a a 5 player exclusion.

5 players who you could pay whatever you want, so in theory we could attract players like Thurston and Marshall over but at the same time stop rich clubs filling their squads with the best players.

Plus certain players who don't get in to the pay bracket of one club may be paid more at another club.

Wigan fans really can't see the wood for the trees can they? Do you not realise the salary cap was brought in to protect you? Wigan's 'glory' years were a fraud and they spent themselves into bankruptcy buying their trophies and any player capable of breathing.

Now after a few years of failing to dominate, Wigan are getting uppety about the cap and their fans are claiming it's holding them back

The only time I would want the cap to go is if the clubs can only spend income generated by the club, no borrowing, no directors loans, If the owners want to put cash in it must be a gift not a loan secured against the ground. If any club goes into debt then all contracts with players should be null & void & the owners banned from the game. The only debt clubs may have would be against ground improvment & that debt should be approved by the RFL & other clubs. We have to get away from using debt to win trophies as Wigan did to the detrement of every other club.

Doing away with the salary cap would be a bad idea imo but it does need amending. I was in favour of removing club trained players from the cap, but you’d still need some mechanism to stop the wealthy clubs from stock piling all of the best juniors, so here’s my amended suggestion:

Increase the cap limit to £2m, allow a maximum of £1m to be spent on non club trained players & scrap the quota limits.

This would represent a significant cap increase but restrict the ability to buy in players & offer an incentive for clubs to develop their own talent. If a club wished to spend more than £1m on club trained players they could do so, with any spend over £1m being removed from the non club trained allowance.

This would also remove the need for any quota restrictions imo (which aren’t really working & the cause of much animosity). The reduced budget available for non club trained players (along with higher earning potential in the NRL) will have a natural effect on overseas numbers.

This is all probably flawed in ways I haven’t thought of yet, but I think it would represent an improvement on the current situation.

And where is this money coming from to pay for us to compete for the very best players in the world?



We have it and it works so why does it need to be justified? Surely to even challenge the salary cap you need to have an alternative that survives close scrutiny first or else you change to something that might not work which would be suicidal.

What do you mean? The game is awash with surplus money.