https://www.totalrl.com/six-more-tackle ... red-by-rfl This one fell under the radar this weekend. The 6 again rule into be discussed this week. Thoughts...

https://www.totalrl.com/six-more-tackle ... red-by-rfl This one fell under the radar this weekend. The 6 again rule into be discussed this week. Thoughts...

If we are to try and close the gap on Australia in the international game then we have to implement this. If anybody watched the Bronco"s v Eels game at the weekend, the broncos had a tonne of pressure on their own line for the first 20 mins of the second half (I think the first PTB in the Eels half was after 60mins) but the difference in fitness levels and decision making under fatigue was massive compared to super league. It is massively frustrating when a team is is happy to give away a penalty knowing they will get 20-30second breather and reset their line

I think we were one of worst culprits last season.

You've nailed it in your first sentence, DDI
Whenever we play them, the gulf is highlighted.
You don't see it, when their club sides play each other. They play to (reasonably) the same standard. Yet when it's at Test level, their PTBs are immeasurably quicker than ours. Add to this (I've been banging the drum about these for decades), they pass properly ie easy to catch, and they tackle properly. That's why we've not won a Test series for 50 years. Basic rugby.
If you're reaching for a pass, you have less time to adjust and send a decent pass out, yourself. Simple.

I loved it, the game flowed so much better. Thought it sounded stupid when they first mentioned it but i think i works really well

It's made the NRL a far, far better TV product. It needs to be introduced here. Going forward the two competitions need to get their heads together on rule changes and agree on a single format. If there needs to be differences on things like referee numbers or specific video ref technologies then fine, but the basic rules of the sport should be the same at all levels in both competitions.

Big, big onus on Super League coaches to smarten up the product. We've got some very decent players in this country playing the game like a cynical amateur team. The moving off the mark, the incorrect and messy play the balls and the constant dodging and weaving behind the markers begging for penalties needs to stop. Clean, fast play the balls with the speed of the ruck dictated by the physicality of the tackle or the power of the carry, not by tacklers performing a boston crab and pinning the ball carrier, then peeling off in instalments.

You are spot on about the passing accuracy Lefty. It is very rare that a player has to adjust their run to catch a ball, that split second adjustment can bring an attacking move to a halt. Another little thing that highlights the difference for me is in a super league game you will see at least one forward taking a simple drive from a simple pass just drop the ball with nobody near them. Although I did spot this a couple of times over the weekend I put that down to rustiness but you can normally watch a whole round of NRL and not see a forward drop a ball with no pressure. I don't know if in SL that is down to passing accuracy, concentration or fatigue. I am a big believer that RL in this country need England to win the world cup to get the exposure and subsequent sponsorship and TV revenue it needs to grow. Even though we were close in 2017 we looked a million miles away on the lions tour. The 6 again rule will just increase the gap in terms of fitness, discipline and goal line defence.

I forgot to set up the recordings for the NRL last round so didn't see how the new rule played out, however i'd be reluctant to bring in a rule change mid season (even if it does feel like we are starting from scratch). I'd prefer us to see how it evolves in the NRL and make a decision on whether to bring it in or not from 2021.

Saw all the NRL matches and generally the rule gave positives including increased game time,fewer penalties,faster PTB's and an increase in game speed.

Only 1st games under the new rule,however, and it will be interesting to see how coaches attempt to counter the rule.

Accordingly I will defer judgement until many more rounds have been completed.

I like the 6 rule, it’s going back to like when the ref and defending team aren’t set up for a quick tap, but being allowed.
However I think the attacking team should still have to opinion to kick for touch if they wish to do so.

I think this would make the game much more better over here. The ruck is a mess at the minute. However I do think it's just another thing for superleague referees to be inconsistent on in games.

Doesn't the same outcome of another 6 tackles come about anyway , following a penalty kick for a ruck infringement ? The main problem in our game seems to be the consistency in policing infringements & also policing infringements even handedly. As we all know, our referees are all over new rules for the first few weeks which are then forgotten about till a ref suddenly remembers "there is a rule for that offence ". Is there an option to take a penalty if a team are in goal kicking range instead of taking another six tackles ?

i dont know, re your last point, though that was flagged before hand.

it's only been going one week so far, lets wait until the inevitable complaints come about.

i'm not a fan of it in principal as it puts more pressure on a ref that already was struggling with deciding wtf was happening in the tackle/ruck/ptb. My honest thought is that it'll get adapated, one of my biggest gripes is that wigan get so many leniency getting all 12 tacklers off now, slowly going off 1 at a time and refs let that happen, rather than just saying 'eff you, you should all be off when i shout move'

I can it not being fairly applied over here. Lets give it a few more weeks, till a coach or Phil gould finds a fault with it.

The option for a penalty to be awarded by the referee is there, but the choice does not lie with the attacking team. You can't ask for a penalty, but the referee can decide to award one if the context of the game suggests it's the right thing to do. I.e in front of the posts with a minute to go and the game level etc. If awarded, the attacking team can then play on anyway with a tap as normal if they wanted to.

In the new rules a referee can award a penalty for repeated ruck offences but otherwise there is no penalty option after a ruck offence,

I prefer this to a penalty. It feels like less of a sanction than blowing up for a penalty so refs are more likely to be willing to use it, it keeps the game moving quicker and it will discipline defensive teams because they don't get the breather that a penalty offers them.

Problems may crop up over time and the game will have to try to manage it but I think we should be trying some innovations like this to see how they affect the quality of the action. The game is much less watchable than it used to be and unless something is done, interest in the sport will fade away.

30 seconds to go ,ruck offence ,attacking team can't attempt winning penalty goal but have start another set of six,controversial to say the least.

Indeed, also it penalises certain teams, hull with Sneyd and wakey with brough, their touch finding penalties are now negated, also them kicking penalties.

Any ruck offence that constitutes a professional foul is a full penalty. They discussed that on Aussie TV. They can award a penalty in that instance as they can class it as a professional foul as it's an attempt to stop play with so little time remaining. It's a point the NRL should probably clarify properly before it happens in a game. There were apparently two full penalties given in the last round.

this is league not union

Thats an interesting point though if the referee has discretion about whether to blow for a penalty or reset the 6. If a ref thinks that a team is deliberately messing about in the ruck, taking advantage of the ref's inclination to reset the 6 rather than allow a team with a strong kicking game to gain yards, then surely the ref should start blowing for penalties. The ref's goal should be to make the game flow and use what tools he has available to discipline disruptors.

This rule would suit us perfectly. Teams know that DC will jump out of DH given a quick PTB and would prefer to conceded a penalty and have a breather, concede metres and set their defence up than have Clark run at them. Same goes for Ratchford.
I get the impression that this type of game was what Tony Smith was expecting when he signed Clark and (dare I say it) Matty Russell. I remember talk about 6/7 years ago about the RFL looking at ways to speed the game up. Just that we are normally a few years behind the NRL.
I agree with You Sally in that I think the referees at the moment are sometimes reluctant to give penalties for fear of interrupting the game and you often hear the ref talking to the players telling them that they need to clear the PTB area quicker. Now they can just give another 6.
If we delay implementing we will fall further behind Australia.
The only down side is that you could see some blow out scorelines. The NRL are worried about this but I think it would be worse over here.

"Another 6" as stated previously will crucify the likes of Wigan with their 3 men taking an eternity to clear the ruck and we are better suited to a fast PTB with the likes of DC However, I am still a bit nervous about teams learning how to deliberately "giving away" another 6 when a penalty and potentially a kick at goal would be a better option. We will have to judge I suppose as time and games pass and see how the refs manage it. Typically, after 4 or 5 weeks the refs will forget about a new rule / directive anyway if history is anything to go by.

They will be nervous of doing that to a good side.

Imagine if this was the Warrington team of 8 or 9 years ago and teams were deliberately conceding repeat sets in their own half to stop Hodgson having a shot at goal. Giving away another 6 on the scoreboard more like

That fabulous attacking side you refer to would, no doubt, be so far ahead anyway the two points wouldn't be needed. What a great side to watch that was. Glory days.
Unfortunately, since then we have had, on occasion, seen a lot of witless, inept , clueless attacking displays where the 2 points would be the best option if the kick to the corner and hope for the best wasn't working.

Did you watch the Rabbitohs v Roosters game last week? They managed to get three and four men into the tackle, and turn the attacking player on his back without conceding the six again. It requires excellent technique and top level fitness to be able to do that for the full game though.