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| I have just read the statement put out by the RFL - they are set to investigate by the sounds & fine etc to stamp this behaviour out of the game, they will not investigate the ref or his actions & his in-actions. He will be protected & all blame will be on the players & the away club fans, they will not act on Catalan as they protect a foreign team within the league. It is a pet thing they have with the perceived spread of the game.
It's too easy to blame people who & clubs, to be seen external to the wider news media & to be seen to be acting strong.
They will Definately protect the official ref, quote" what ever the ref rules, players must respect his decisions " therfore, the ref knows he is protected & will continue in his " protected ignorance " therefore the game is in disrepute legally to all RL supporters & all must accept !!!!!!I
We are light years behind the NRL in officiating a match & have no inkling that the product is in the entertainment game.
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| However bad the referee is that is no excuse for players getting sent off or fans fighting in the stands.
It takes a bizarre and warped mind to assume that it could.
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| Anybody who believes that James Child was in any way responsible for what happened in France needs to go and watch another sport because that sort of 'supporter' is a cancer that this sport can do without
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Anybody who believes that James Child was in any way responsible for what happened in France needs to go and watch another sport because that sort of 'supporter' is a cancer that this sport can do without'"
The truest word spoken on here! A disgrace to the game.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"Anybody who believes that James Child was in any way responsible for what happened in France needs to go and watch another sport because that sort of 'supporter' is a cancer that this sport can do without'"
So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
No, it's not.
If you can't accept that at some point, a referee will make an error or a decision that doesn't go the way you want it to go, you aren't mature enough to watch professional sport. Most of the people involved were grown adults - they should be capable of behaving as such.
You don't have to approve of James Child's performance but to blame that for what followed is, at best, pathetic deflection and whataboutism, and at worst, incredibly dangerous to this sport. How can anyone wonder why we have a refereeing recruitment problem with attitudes like this? I watch many sports and there isn't a set of supporters that obsesses over officials quite like RL supporters.
Whether you like Child or not, the bottom line is that there is a level of responsibility on both players and fans to conduct themselves properly. They failed to do that and it is only they to blame.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
Isn't it cute the way that some fans think their own players are angels and the Naughty opponents are picking on them.
If I recall correctly it was Warrington who handing out the high tackles in the first half even after their captain had been sin binned.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
No it’s not. And anybody who thinks that is the case is as much of a Neanderthal as those who were swinging the punches. HTH.
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| Quote ="infamous grouse"Isn't it cute the way that some fans think their own players are angels and the Naughty opponents are picking on them.
If I recall correctly it was Warrington who handing out the high tackles in the first half even after their captain had been sin binned.'"
Watch those tackles back.
Chris Hill’s tackle was under the arm pit. One of Patton’s was when he grabbed Tomkins’ collar to tackle him and the other was across the top of the chest and Bird shot his head back as if he’d been hit in the forehead with a metal bar and got up laughing about it, and one of Philbin’s it was across the collar.
In the very first set we had of the ball in the game, one of our players was punched in the face and there was a knees in third man in one of the tackles. It was like this all game, every set. The ref did next to nothing, he kept saying “I didn’t see it”.
Nowhere, however, have I said Wire players were angels, stop making stuff up. We put in some bad tackles in many games and did today too. But it wasn’t a set-by-set tactic that the ref was ignoring like the other team.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
If you think a poor performance from a ref caused thst you need to have a cognative assessment.
I've seen terrible ref performances, I've seen fights on the pitch at no point have I decided to launch an assault on opposition fans.
Anyone trying to spin this is like a low grade political adviser, trying to deflect the real blame.
So far it has been chairs thrown - no evidence
Bottles and drinks thrown - saw that in both directions but after the zombie assault on the boxes started.
Now it's the refs fault - NO IT'S NOT.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"No, it's not.
If you can't accept that at some point, a referee will make an error or a decision that doesn't go the way you want it to go, you aren't mature enough to watch professional sport. Most of the people involved were grown adults - they should be capable of behaving as such.
You don't have to approve of James Child's performance but to blame that for what followed is, at best, pathetic deflection and whataboutism, and at worst, incredibly dangerous to this sport. How can anyone wonder why we have a refereeing recruitment problem with attitudes like this? I watch many sports and there isn't a set of supporters that obsesses over officials quite like RL supporters.
Whether you like Child or not, the bottom line is that there is a level of responsibility on both players and fans to conduct themselves properly. They failed to do that and it is only they to blame.'"
I don’t mind Child. But he was a ing disgrace tonight.
And I can accept that refs make mistakes but to make them over and over and over again is going lose control of the game and/or spark a reaction from the crowd. You can’t say you’ve never lost your in the stands at a referee before, surely?
But the imagine someone throwing a wine bottle at you because you’ve protested against a referee decision. You’re not going to smile and wave at the bloke are you?
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"[size=200NO[/size'"
So is it Wire fans’ fault for protesting against the refs decisions that caused missiles to be thrown at them by Catalan fans?
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"I don’t mind Child. But he was a loving disgrace tonight.
And I can accept that refs make mistakes but to make them over and over and over again is going lose control of the game and/or spark a reaction from the crowd. You can’t say you’ve never lost your poop in the stands at a referee before, surely?
But the imagine someone throwing a wine bottle at you because you’ve protested against a referee decision. You’re not going to smile and wave at the bloke are you?'"
Of course I've got frustrated at refereeing decisions, but I can honestly say I've "never lost my poop" at a referee because I'm mature enough to accept that they will make mistakes and that they will, on occasion, referee a game in a way that I might not like. That's what I accept when I watch professional sport. Referees often make decisions based on interpretation and perspective, and they are often going to be different to mine.
What I also know is that James Child knows the rules of RL better than any supporter. You don't have to like him, you don't have to rate him, but he's eminently more qualified that you, I or anyone else on this forum to take charge of a Super League fixture.
I'm not commenting on "who threw what" because frankly, there's nothing but speculation and conjecture on here - the tweets you linked to on the other thread are simply the accounts of a few Wire fans and we have to treat they with scepticism, as we should treat any similar claims from Dragons fans. That's why there will be an investigation.
The long and the short of it is that anybody who tries to say James Child and his team is responsible for what happened tonight is, in my view, somebody who this sport is is far better off without.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So is it Wire fans’ fault for protesting against the refs decisions that caused missiles to be thrown at them by Catalan fans?'"
First bit yes
Second bit pure speculation
Where is that chair that was thrown, you think all the videos would have picked that up
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
No, no it's not Child's fault you need to get some perspective.
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Warrington fans have just been told that child missed a forward pass
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| If it was the one to Percival last month then that's understandable.
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| Any body remember the Challenge Cup game last season between Featherstone & Hull FC when the referee lost complete control & handed out quite a few cards? There was quite a few coming togethers I'm that game, even the odd punch. Funnily enough though there was no trouble in the stands. Bit odd how Hull & Featherstone fans can control themselves but Warrington fans don't seem capable & just want to shift blame elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"[uSo Child loses control of the game,[/u allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
Child did not lose control of the game that was the players' themselves, how you expect the ref and his two mates to keep apart two sides determined to have a go is beyond me, you'd be far better blaming Hill and Edwards for that and the king of all grubs McCllorum as well.
Incidentally if you blame the referee for the bottles and glass thrown then I pity you and we might as well all pack in now.
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| I do not know where half of the nonsense comes from about the catalan tactics and the referee.
Someone has mentioned the first set about knees and punches etc. I have literally just watched it back and specifically looked for these bad tackles. There is literally nothing wrong with anything in the first set of six. So much so that I cant even see any of the usual hand waving that all teams do when they think something is wrong.
The referee seems to be the scap goat for a load of blokes getting beered up in the sun and acting like idiots.
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| Suppose we can blame the ref for Widnes fans storming the CC semi at Leigh, or Wakefield fans ripping out seats at London first game this year eh?
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"So Child loses control of the game, allows the worst poop house tactics I’ve ever seen against my team to go unpunished set after set, Wire fans angrily protest about it in the stands and have bottles and glasses thrown at them by the home fans... and that’s not Child’s fault?'"
No it’s not. It’s bizarre to assume it is.
Can’t agree with Bramleyrhino more. That kind of attitude needs to be eliminated from the game.
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| Quote ="Him"No it’s not. It’s bizarre to assume it is.
Can’t agree with Bramleyrhino more. That kind of attitude needs to be eliminated from the game.'"
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| Child did not have a good game, he didn’t assert his authority enough but his performance isn’t to blame for the fans’ actions.
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