They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/

They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/

Quote ="jools"They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/'" A fair rent in who`s eyes Wallhead`s and the rest of the looneys at Wakefield Council? They probably knew this wasn`t a viable option for the club and its probably why they offered it in the first place. We have had 0 support from the council right from the off with this situation, I wouldn`t trust any of them as far as i could throw them - Why the people of Wakefield keep voting Labour in the local elections when they have let this city down time after time (Not just talking about this situation) is beyond me. You have to remember that we are a self sufficient club that spends what we earn, lets hope you have another multi millionaire waiting on the sidelines for when Davy pulls his money out and stops bankrolling you, as if you don`t i can see Hudds having quite a few issues financially...

Quote ="jools"They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/'" A fair rent in who`s eyes Wallhead`s and the rest of the looneys at Wakefield Council? They probably knew this wasn`t a viable option for the club and its probably why they offered it in the first place. We have had 0 support from the council right from the off with this situation, I wouldn`t trust any of them as far as i could throw them - Why the people of Wakefield keep voting Labour in the local elections when they have let this city down time after time (Not just talking about this situation) is beyond me. You have to remember that we are a self sufficient club that spends what we earn, lets hope you have another multi millionaire waiting on the sidelines for when Davy pulls his money out and stops bankrolling you, as if you don`t i can see Hudds having quite a few issues financially...

Every other club in SL has had to make arrangements to play in fit fir purpose stadiums. Sometimes at a cost the club has struggled to bear.

Why should we continue to give an exemption to this requirement to a small corner of West Yorkshire?

It must be a real struggle for the fans this, a real rollercoaster ride, Wakefield are doing really well on the pitch, and it is a shame they cannot get a new stadium out.

I am not the kind of person who really cares much about the stadium being old of new just that everything fits together well, I know it fits better as a new stadium but it cannot be the be all and end all.

Blame the council. Rah rah rah.

Never Trinity's fault

Quote ="jools"They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/'" Pay the rent for what? The stadium was never gonna get built in the first place. The developer has shirked it's responsibilities for years as to what was originally promised. Now the council led plans have collapsed painting the club as the bad guys as was always the plan. If you can be bothered to look at the thread on the Wakey board, people have been waiting for this latest 'development' for the past few weeks!

Quote ="jools"They are really taking the Micky now. They want it all and have delivered nothing. Bite the bullet and pay the rent! www.seriousaboutrl.com/wakefield ... pse-10550/'" Pay the rent for what? The stadium was never gonna get built in the first place. The developer has shirked it's responsibilities for years as to what was originally promised. Now the council led plans have collapsed painting the club as the bad guys as was always the plan. If you can be bothered to look at the thread on the Wakey board, people have been waiting for this latest 'development' for the past few weeks!

Why are WT refusing to pay rent ? Other clubs in SL do it and are successful. Looks like Carter wants his cake and eat it.

Presumably he wants a "Steve Gill" style cake?

Give it 12 months and the RFL can boot them down a league or 2 when Toronto and Leigh move up. Its just a waiting game.
NY and London will also be sniffing. I'm sure Coventry are looking at a franchise too.

Seems to me this is not too dissembler to how Leeds and Yorkshire cricket are funding the redevelopment, lease the stands for 40 years until they are paid for, but keep the income streams. its not like say Salford who have to rent the stadium then get nothing from the match day income streams. not saying either side is right or wrong. but it seems that if the council are building it but Wakefield have control of all the income streams and just have to pay rent then its seems a very good deal.

The "Steve Gill style cake" doesn't involve 15 million pounds of ratepayers money though does it.

All right for some to ground share with a football team though isn't Jools?

Also when you have Cas fan led corrupt Council it's a bit hard to get a new stadium over the line.

Pre Carter era I would've agreed with your petty, small village syndrome comment. But since he took over the club have pushed and pushed for the Newmarket stadium to go through only to be met with incompetence and refusal from the Council.

Yes- a stadium we pay rent for.

This reminds me of a situation in Huddersfield recently.
Syngenta (old ICI) owned an old mansion house called Dalton grange. Was used as a social club by Workers. Over time the company shrank and the members declined.
A couple lived and were custodians of the building. When the social club closed down the couple were allowed to stay.
They then started to run a business from the mansion house hosting weddings and other functions.
They lived rent free, Syngenta paid all the bills and maintenance for the property. So they lived for nothing and made money out of the building they paid nothing for.
Syngenta decided to sell the building and the couple refused to leave - Syngenta spent thousands and 4 years getting them evicted!
This couple couldn't understand why they shouldn't be allowed to live rent free and make money whilst it COST Syngenta. I'm sure you'd agree it was a daft situation.
Why should the taxpayers of wakefield pay for a tiny minority to be entertained and another company to make money. Just as daft!

Of course they are refusing! We are currently going through austerity- people would rather millions be spent on local social services, schools etc!

Have they? Really? They've all piggy-backed other developments.

A brief history, if it helps:
- developer gets sweetened land deal on the back of a promise to council to build a stadium (as has happened elsewhere)
- once land is developed, developer refuses to build
- Council agrees to further development outside scope of original promise so doesn't have to enforce promise
- Belle Vue goes up for sale. Trinity told not to bid for it as will be bought by original developer to fulfil promise
- original developer does not bid for it and bought by someone else
- new owner wants to develop and is promising to rebuild stadium as the sweetener
- club owner senses another trap and say want it on the terms promised by the original developer that got the very first sweetened land deal
- Council spit out dummy

Complicating factors:
- council run by a Castleford season ticket holder who seems intent on shafting Trinity
- a prominent person on the original Trust that had the job of delivering the stadium left and was said to be setting up his own Trust
- talk is now of "commercial rent"

The one thing that is different now is that the club is no longer willing to be taken for a mug by people who see the desire for a new stadium as a way of furthering their own agenda/profits/schemes.

Whatever was "promised" on Newmarket doesn't transfer to a scheme to re-develop Belle Vue. That is the stumbling block. Because WT were shafted by Yorkcourt Properties doesn't mean the council and ratepayers have to foot the bill no matter how much Carter stamps his feet.

The two defining acts which has led to this shambles are A) Ted Richardson selling the club and stadium under the fans noses and B) failure to see Sir Rodney Walker sign off the agreement regarding Newcold which you were all warned about before the event.

It's clear from the article where the stumbling block is.

The council have clearly offered to re-develop the stadium, the offer is still there as I read it.

Wakey simply want a free shiny new ground, p[ay nothing towards the cost of it, keep all the revenue from it and pay sod all back in rent for the privilege. Simples

Those are two crucial events that led to the debacle, and it's interesting that one of the people you mentioned is still floating around the whole thing, but the club in its current guise have acted properly throughout and are being shafted by people with different agendas.

You and I both know that the most recent Council statement is all down to the Council kicking off because Trinity are not rolling over and being taken for mugs again. As has been said by the club on countless occasions, they want nothing more than has been promised to them for years, promises that have certainly benefited immensely those who made the empty promises as well as the ratepayers of Wakefield.

Not simple at all - and in a world where opinion trumps fact, this feels like tilting at windmills - but I'll give it a go.

The original proposal, for a new stadium at Newmarket, was based on a s106 agreement with Yorkcourt Properties; they got planning permission on land that would otherwise have been unavailable, in return for building a community stadium, with WT as anchor tenants. They've reneged on that from day 1, with WMDC's willing assistance, and this deal was meant to be a replacement for that; which it clearly isn't, as it proposes to charge the club a rent that isn't sustainable.

So as it stands, Yorkcourt are making millions off land they should never have been allowed to build on, the new developer bought Belle Vue uncontested due to Rodney Walker's dishonesty, and now the terms have been changed so radically, that the club don't feel it will be sustainable to agree.

There's a lot of people at fault here - but to imply that WT are looking for a stadium at taxpayers expense is simply not factual - they're just looking for the developer to meet their legal obligation, and if WMDC had any will to deliver this project, they'd be doing the same thing.

"Dear Council,
can we have all this greenbelt land. We'll make a complete mess of the landscape by building horrendous eyesores, but to make it worthwhile we'll build a ground that the club, and any other community group, can use at a low rent".

'Dear Yorkcourt,
that sounds great. Crack on."

"Dear Council,
we've built it. We've decided not to build the stadium. Thanks anyway."

"Dear Yorkcourt,
No worries. Lol."

"Dear Trinity,
Council here. Soz. All gone south."

"Dear Council,
Trinity here. That's not fair. Do something about it."

"Dear Trinity,
Nah."

Years pass ....

"Dear Trinity,
Stop going on and on. Okay, we give in. As we were, but we'll do Belle Vue instead. Okay."

"Dear Council,
Okay, but obviously on the same terms as before, as a promise is a promise."

"Dear Trinity,
Okaaaay,"

Weeks pass

"Dear Trinity,
Changed our minds. Proper rent, and if you want the money from drinks and food, you can do one. I don't care if it means you can't grow as a club. After all, we've already one got one great club in our area."

And on it goes ....

Bet they wish they took the offer of a groundshare with Cas now - ironic that pride at the time could cause the ultimate demise of their club.

It's become a joke now and i've seen posts all over social media mocking this latest failure, it must be pretty embarrassing for most Wakey fans even though they will still throw the 'it's the councils fault, they won't gift us a free stadium' line out everytime this happens.

I think the whole of RL has now realised Wakefield wont ever get a new ground no matter how many times they release statements saying they've got the green light !!!

Think you'll find that the Council was the main flag-bearer for the latest proposal. It rescued them from the hot water being thrown around at the time, given them some breathing space, and now they hope to cast the blame on the club. In fact, the club stance has never changed. They want what has been promised, those promises already benefiting everyone else involved to a huge extent, except the club, who have always suffered.

The promises made would allow the club to grow. The changed promises won't. The club won't agree to something that won't let them grow.

It is not unreasonable to want what people have promised. The club has reneged on nothing.

Wakefield and Castleford should stop being so stubborn and share a new stadium. Neither club can afford a stadium on their own and both currently have ancient stadia with terrible facilities.