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| I'll be honest I'm only starting this topic because this year my club Wakefield have done quite well when in the past we have not. None the less it's interesting enough.
Name the players indoor squad who have come through your Academy into the first team.
I will accept players who moved over you your club as under 19's and players who left you but have returned so long as they were in the first team at some point (includes cup games).
In order of games played.
Regulars
Tom Johnstone
Kyle Wood
Max Jowitt
Chris Anakin
All made first team debut
Jordan Crowther
James Batchelor
Rob Moules
Judah Mazive
Yet to debut
Frazer Morris
Non Academy players who were signed young from other clubs and spent most of their careers with us/you - they don't count but are worth a mention.
Reece Lyne
Joe Ardudal
Anthony Walker
Jon Molloy
9 or roughly 30% of the squad all of whom imho are SL capable to varying degrees is not bad. I'll be happier when it's neared 40% which I personally think is about the best most teams can do and be competitive.
There is a bit of a myth in RL that teams used to be made up totally of local young lads. Thats not true, half is probably the best you can really manage and stay competitive, yes there will be exceptions (Wigan spring to mind at the moment) but generally clubs have always signed players from all over the place.
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| [uRegulars[/u
Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey
[uAll made debuts[/u
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million
50% of squad.
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| Quote ="vastman"I'll be honest I'm only starting this topic because this year my club Wakefield have done quite well when in the past we have not. None the less it's interesting enough.
Name the players indoor squad who have come through your Academy into the first team.
I will accept players who moved over you your club as under 19's and players who left you but have returned so long as they were in the first team at some point (includes cup games).
In order of games played.
Regulars
Tom Johnstone
Kyle Wood
Max Jowitt
Chris Anakin
All made first team debut
Jordan Crowther
James Batchelor
Rob Moules
Judah Mazive
Yet to debut
Frazer Morris
Non Academy players who were signed young from other clubs and spent most of their careers with us/you - they don't count but are worth a mention.
Reece Lyne
Joe Ardudal
Anthony Walker
Jon Molloy
9 or roughly 30% of the squad all of whom imho are SL capable to varying degrees is not bad. I'll be happier when it's neared 40% which I personally think is about the best most teams can do and be competitive.
There is a bit of a myth in RL that teams used to be made up totally of local young lads. Thats not true, half is probably the best you can really manage and stay competitive, yes there will be exceptions (Wigan spring to mind at the moment) but generally clubs have always signed players from all over the place.'"
How about adding on players currently playing in SL, but at other clubs now, that have come through the club? That would give a good indication as to what clubs contribute most to the league and which clubs just take from others? Could be interesting reading.
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| Hull FC
Shaul, Houghton, Hadley, Green, Bowden, Washbrook - regulars and would expect to all play 20+ games.
Logan, Lancaster, Fash, Turgut, Downs, Matongo - squad members but have all made their debut.
12/28 - 43%
Thompson, Naughton, Watts, Rawsthorne, Connor, Taylor, Sneyd, Griffin, Ellis - other English players.
Fonua, Tuimavave, Manu, Minichiello, Talanoa, Michaels, Kelly - overseas.
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| Quote ="caslad75"How about adding on players currently playing in SL, but at other clubs now, that have come through the club? That would give a good indication as to what clubs contribute most to the league and which clubs just take from others? Could be interesting reading.'"
No problem with that, but in the case of Cas and Wakey it may be worth excluding Championship teams else we'll be here all day
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| Quote ="Tigerade"[uRegulars[/u
Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey
[uAll made debuts[/u
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million
50% of squad.'"
Thats pretty good and about the max I'd say, paid dividends for you hasn't it.
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| Quote ="DGM"Hull FC
Shaul, Houghton, Hadley, Green, Bowden, Washbrook - regulars and would expect to all play 20+ games.
Logan, Lancaster, Fash, Turgut, Downs, Matongo - squad members but have all made their debut.
12/28 - 43%
Thompson, Naughton, Watts, Rawsthorne, Connor, Taylor, Sneyd, Griffin, Ellis - other English players.
Fonua, Tuimavave, Manu, Minichiello, Talanoa, Michaels, Kelly - overseas.'"
Out of interest as I don't really know how it works - how many are from the joint Academy and technically do they count as a 1/2 because of the HKR connection - not that it makes a huge difference.
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| Quote ="vastman"Out of interest as I don't really know how it works - how many are from the joint Academy and technically do they count as a 1/2 because of the HKR connection - not that it makes a huge difference.'"
None, yet.
I think all of those mentioned are too old (I think) to have played in the CoH academy, which only started in 2016.
The situation with the academy is that all the players initially were "ring-fenced" when the merger took place, depending on which club they came from. Once this works it's way through in a couple of years, it will move to a draft system I believe.
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| From the 2017 squad numbers:
[uHomegrown + Regulars[/u
S Tomkins, Manfredi, Gildart, Burgess, Williams, McIlorum, J Tomkins, L Farrell, O'Loughlin, Powell, Sutton, Tierney
[uHomegrown + Played First Team[/u
Gregson, Bretherton, Shorrocks, C Farrell, Wells, Higginson, Shelford, M Davies
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Homegrown + Yet To Debut[/u
Forsyth, Ganson, Fell, Marshall, T Davies, Field, Barnes
27/37 there
The other 10 being:
Gelling, Leuluai, Nu'uasala, Flower, Bateman, Clubb, Tautai, Isa, Escare, Navarrete
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| It'll be interesting to see Toronto's, given what they are there for.
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| Quote ="CM Punk"From the 2017 squad numbers:
[uHomegrown + Regulars[/u
S Tomkins, Manfredi, Gildart, Burgess, Williams, McIlorum, J Tomkins, L Farrell, O'Loughlin, Powell, Sutton, Tierney
[uHomegrown + Played First Team[/u
Gregson, Bretherton, Shorrocks, C Farrell, Wells, Higginson, Shelford, M Davies
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Homegrown + Yet To Debut[/u
Forsyth, Ganson, Fell, Marshall, T Davies, Field, Barnes
27/37 there
The other 10 being:
Gelling, Leuluai, Nu'uasala, Flower, Bateman, Clubb, Tautai, Isa, Escare, Navarrete'"
Just out of interest are they all signed as full time players as opposed to under 19's because 37 is a huge squad.
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| From the Leeds 2017 Squad numbers:
HG: Regulars (10)
1. Ashton Golding
3. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Stevie Ward
14. Liam Sutcliffe
16. Brad Singleton
HG: Played first team (icon_cool.gif
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
22. Ash Handley
24. Jordan Baldwinson
25. Jordan Lilley
27. Cameron Smith
28. Mikolaj Oledzki
30. Sam Hallas
Yet to play (1)
29. Josh Jordan-Roberts
Overseas (6)
4. Joel Moon
8. Keith Galloway
9. James Segeyaro
10. Adam Cuthbertson
15. Brett Delaney
17. Mitch Garbutt
Others (5)
2. Tom Briscoe
19. Brett Ferres
20. Anthony Mullally
23. Jack Ormondroyd
26. Cory Aston
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| Quote ="Willzay"It'll be interesting to see Toronto's, given what they are there for.'"
Well, they wont have any that have played senior rugby for The Wolfpack but they may have players in their squad who haven't played RL for anyone.
Having said that, with all of North America to go at, they will have the largest "service area" of any of the clubs competing in
the 3rd tier.
They may end up with 8/10 "homegrown" players on their roster.
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| Quote ="vastman"Just out of interest are they all signed as full time players as opposed to under 19's because 37 is a huge squad.'"
All listed as 'First Team Squad' with Squad Numbers on the website, don't know the contract details of all of them though. Suspect the top 30 are all Full Time however.
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| Quote ="Willzay"It'll be interesting to see Toronto's, given what they are there for.'"
That didn't take long...
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| Quote ="vastman"Just out of interest are they all signed as full time players as opposed to under 19's because 37 is a huge squad.'"
Some of those are first year pros or possibly last year u19s. A few like Higginson had a squad number whilst in the u19s. You expect a few of the young lads to be loaned out for experience, something we had problems with last season because of the injury situation. A few lads with first team experience will be looking for more game time than we hope to have to give them this year.
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Tommy Makinson
Mark Percival
Calvin Wellington
Adam Swift
Danny Richardson
Matty Smith
Greg Richards
James Roby
Luke Thompson
Joe Greenwood
Jack Ashworth
Morgan Knowles
Fleming, Bailey, Spedding, Grace, Cooper, Jonah Cunningham
19 of our squad numbers 1-30! Not a bad XIII either
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"That didn't take long...'"
Pathetic isn't it. Willzay seems to have a real fear of expansion/Toronto.
On a slightly different note, anyone interested in 'home grown' players for the Wolfpack, get yourself down to Brighouse Rangers this Saturday. The finalists from The Last Tackle will be playing a game vs Brighouse to play for a contract with the Wolfpack. I'm sure Willzay will be down there sneering at people without a Northern accent playing RL.
Also, they already have two Americans and one Canadian in their squad.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"From the Leeds 2017 Squad numbers:
Yet to play (1)
29. Josh Jordan-Roberts '"
Josh actually made his first team debut v Leigh in the final game of the Super 8 Qualifiers last season
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"From the Leeds 2017 Squad numbers:
HG: Regulars (10)
1. Ashton Golding
3. Kallum Watkins
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Stevie Ward
14. Liam Sutcliffe
16. Brad Singleton
HG: Played first team (icon_cool.gif
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
21. Josh Walters
22. Ash Handley
24. Jordan Baldwinson
25. Jordan Lilley
27. Cameron Smith
28. Mikolaj Oledzki
30. Sam Hallas
Yet to play (1)
29. Josh Jordan-Roberts
Overseas (6)
4. Joel Moon
8. Keith Galloway
9. James Segeyaro
10. Adam Cuthbertson
15. Brett Delaney
17. Mitch Garbutt
Others (5)
2. Tom Briscoe
19. Brett Ferres
20. Anthony Mullally
23. Jack Ormondroyd
26. Cory Aston'"
Jimmy Keinhorst is a first team regular.
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| Huddersfield:
Leroy Cudjoe
Jerry McGillvary
Mike Lawrence
Kruise Leeming
Nathan Mason
Jared Simpson
Sam Wood
Mikey Wood
Tyler Dickinson
Liam Johnson
Darnell McIntosh
Jacob Wardle
12 out of 27
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Jimmy Keinhorst is a first team regular.'"
I was on the fench with Keinhorst. Decided to put him in the other list simply because, with a fully fit centre / second row, he'd probably find himself outside the 17. Granted however, he more than took his chance this year.
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Quote ="Tigerade"[uRegulars[/u
Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey
[uAll made debuts[/u
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million
50% of squad.'"
Pull you up on Greg Eden, he was a Wakefield Academy player
www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2009- ... nd-academy
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Michael Shenton
Greg Eden
Andy Lynch
Adam Milner
Oliver Holmes
Nathan Massey
[uAll made debuts[/u
Ash Robson
Tom Holmes
Kieran Gill
Will Maher
Brandon Douglas
Conor Fitzsimmoms
Brandon Westerman
Declan Sheenan
Luke Million
50% of squad.'"
Pull you up on Greg Eden, he was a Wakefield Academy player
www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2009- ... nd-academy
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Was. Doesn't make him Wakefield's.
He also joined and played in Cas's academy. As well as being on the Vas scholarship. And being in Bradford's academy. And, more importantly, made his first team debut at Cas.
He is Cas homegrown and counts as such, no matter how many times you Wakey fans think because a player may play at scholarship at 15 or alike he counts as yours.
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Was. Doesn't make him Wakefield's.
He also joined and played in Cas's academy. As well as being on the Vas scholarship. And being in Bradford's academy. And, more importantly, made his first team debut at Cas.
He is Cas homegrown and counts as such, no matter how many times you Wakey fans think because a player may play at scholarship at 15 or alike he counts as yours.
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