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| Marwan Koukash presents Niald Evands with a Maserati.
Salary cap or no?
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| I doubt it counts towards the salary cap but it might count towards a bribe to get him to stay at the club or even begging!
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| Quote ="yorksguy1865"I doubt it counts towards the salary cap but it might count towards a bribe to get him to stay at the club or even begging!'"
Of course it would count. But they probably won't declare it and the RFL won't spot it, even though it's on Twitter.
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| Littlerich seems to be in need of an off-season hobby. Stalking MK on twitter then bringing it here.
I recommend a lovely slow, soapy tug while the missus watches Emmerdale.
You'll feel much better.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Littlerich seems to be in need of an off-season hobby. Stalking MK on twitter then bringing it here.
I recommend a lovely slow, soapy tug while the missus watches Emmerdale.
You'll feel much better.'"
Good distraction !
It is a benefit in kind which shoukld count towrads the slaray cap . If it is a gift then it it is counted on this year.
IF it is a loan / rental then whatever the cost is over the period of time he has the car.
Note to MK ( brown envelopes under the table )
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Littlerich seems to be in need of an off-season hobby. Stalking MK on twitter then bringing it here.
I recommend a lovely slow, soapy tug while the missus watches Emmerdale.
You'll feel much better.'"
No need to be such a prick. It was a genuine rugby league enquiry on a gift made to a player. if you think people aren't going to question this given the calamitous way he runs the club then you're a bigger idiot than he is.
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| makes a change from the brown paper bag under the table
it will be seen as some as a 'bribe' but can it be prooved?
just another foolish tweet from the doctor who should have kept quiet, again
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| as the SC has been sold to us, it undoubtedly would.
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| for me that's it now, get rid of the cap, it's a farce, it's so easy to get around. Need to attract some Russian businessmen to take over a SL club, there must be some Russians who would love a bit of rugby league.
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| Quote ="littlerich"No need to be such a prick. It was a genuine rugby league enquiry on a gift made to a player. if you think people aren't going to question this given the calamitous way he runs the club then you're a bigger idiot than he is.'"
You really are in need of some 'stress relief.'
Do your littleman a favour littlerich. Nobody can be angry after launching some spaff...
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| Depends who it's from. If it's from Koukash, any of his companies, or any person or company associated with Salford then it counts on the cap. If not then it doesn't count.
Even if it counts on the cap, it might be more tax efficient for either the club or player to receive something like this rather than a higher wage or bonus. As I understand it something like this could be spread over the entirety of the player's contract.
I have utterly no idea how much a Maserati costs but let's say it's £100,000. If Evalds has (say) a 4 year contract then I think it could be spread £25k a year over the 4 years like a signing bonus.
If Koukash is saying it doesn't count then either:
1 - he's wrong
2 - the rules have changed, very quietly
3 - the rules have been ignored
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| Quote ="number 6"makes a change from the brown paper bag under the table
it will be seen as some as a 'bribe' but can it be prooved?
just another foolish tweet from the doctor who should have kept quiet, again'"
On issues like this i much prefer the DRs approach of openness as opposed to the usual smoke & mirrors & knives in the back approach that we usually have to put up with in RL
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| There seems to be some very big assumptions on here on the evidence of a picture. Any one of the following could be true:
-the car has been bought for the player by Koukash, completely at random
-the car has been bought for the player by Koukash, as part of agreed contractual obligation.
-the car has been bought for the player by Koukash, without contract and a wink wink.
-the car has been bought by the club, and subsequently rented to player as part as contractual obligation.
-the car has been bought by Koukash, and subsequently rented to the player on the request of the player.
-the car was bought by Koukash and let the player borrow it for the weekend.
Each has different cap implications. The long and short of it is: the rfl can take offence to it if they really want to. Given the rumours that I've seen Salford aren't being granted the exemption to the 50% turnover rule this year, this could just be part of the whole issue.
How many rumours involve players being seen at a dealership trying out their new BMW over the years?
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| actually, the reason behind the gift doesnt change anything from an SC point of view. Strictly speaking anything whatsoever that transfers from anyone at all involved with Koukash to anyone at all involved with Evalds would have a cap value.
Even if Evalds were to borrow it for a weekend it is a benefit so would have some sort of cap value.
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| Will be interesting to see if the RFL react at all. Koukash usually uses Twitter to start a dialogue with them.
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| IIRC didn't Melbourne & their sponsors buying players boats, cars and home renovations count towards their salary cap breach?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"actually, the reason behind the gift doesnt change anything from an SC point of view. Strictly speaking anything whatsoever that transfers from anyone at all involved with Koukash to anyone at all involved with Evalds would have a cap value.
Even if Evalds were to borrow it for a weekend it is a benefit so would have some sort of cap value.'"
Reasoning does matter. If he was awarded it because he won Salfords Young player of the year (for example) it is cap exempt. If it was a sign on fee for signing a new contract, that does count on the cap (and as he's a renewing player it would count entirely on this years cap). If it was rented the rfl would need to rule how much of the value of the car could be deemed exempt as part of travel allowances which are also exempt.
Different cap outcomes, different situations.
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| Why is an award cap exempt? You could have hundreds of awards. Top tackler, top yard maker, best disciplinary etc .. etc. Isn't the prize money exemption related to the club's prize money? ie, if the club wins prize money it can give to players, cap free?
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| Quote ="littlerich"Why is an award cap exempt? You could have hundreds of awards. Top tackler, top yard maker, best disciplinary etc .. etc. Isn't the prize money exemption related to the club's prize money? ie, if the club wins prize money it can give to players, cap free?'"
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The following items may be excluded in the calculation of the Salary Cap Value of a Player:
Prize Money
5.7.1 the Gross value of any of the following payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year:
(a) any share of the official prize money paid by the RFL to the Club as a result of the Club’s performance in the Super League competition (provided that full details of such prize money bonuses are submitted to the HSCR at the time that the Player’s playing contract is submitted);
(b) any share of the official prize money paid by the RFL to the Club as a result of the Club’s performance in the Challenge Cup competition (provided that full details of such prize money bonuses are submitted to the HSCR at the time that the Player’s playing contract is submitted); and/or
(c) any share of the official prize money paid by the RFL to the Club as a result of the Club’s performance in the World Club Challenge competition (provided that full details of such prize money bonuses are submitted to the HSCR as soon as reasonably practicable and in any event no later than seven days prior to the World Club Challenge competition).
Comment to Clause 5.7.1: For example, where a Club contracts to pay a Super League bonus to a Player, such Super League bonus being a share of the prize money paid by the RFL to the Club based upon the Club’s success in the Super League during the relevant Salary Cap Year, the value of such Super League bonus will be excluded from the calculation of the Salary Cap Value for that Player.
5.7.2 the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year;
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Bizarre I know. The m.o.m. Awards being off cap seems ludicrous ...
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Bizarre I know. The m.o.m. Awards being off cap seems ludicrous ...'"
Wow - that is incredible! The man of the match is awarded by the club and doesn't count!!
So you could have a player on £1,000 a year contract with a £1million bonus for each man of the match award that the club itself awards!!! It would make some interesting analysis of (all) the club man of the match awards this past season....
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| Quote ="EHW"Wow - that is incredible! The man of the match is awarded by the club and doesn't count!!
So you could have a player on £1,000 a year contract with a £1million bonus for each man of the match award that the club itself awards!!! It would make some interesting analysis of (all) the club man of the match awards this past season....'"
And that's got unveiled earlier this year, as part of these disputes they were having.
Doc himself said its prize for player of the year, me, I think it's a sweetener to a highly rated kid on a low paid contract, to prevent a Theo style situation arising, without actually giving him a better contract at this point
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Bizarre I know. The m.o.m. Awards being off cap seems ludicrous ...'"
Though it does explain why certain players always seem to get the m.o.m. award even if they've had a bit of a stinker
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| Salary cap will be defunct soon anyway
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| Quote ="Him"I have utterly no idea how much a Maserati costs but let's say it's £100,000.'"
Brand new maybe, but we're talking about a 57 plate Quattroporte here. You can pick them up for 20 grand all day long.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Reasoning does matter. If he was awarded it because he won Salfords Young player of the year (for example) it is cap exempt. If it was a sign on fee for signing a new contract, that does count on the cap (and as he's a renewing player it would count entirely on this years cap). If it was rented the rfl would need to rule how much of the value of the car could be deemed exempt as part of travel allowances which are also exempt.
Different cap outcomes, different situations.'"
So Koukash could simply sign Sonny Bill and offer him a million pounds bonus if he wins the best player called Sonny Bull Williams of the year award.
I think you have misread the rules. There is a prize awarded for mom or for Man of Steel and similar awards that do have a value. For instance previously Tissot would provide a watch for the man of the match. Without the exemption that award would count on the SC even though it wasn't provided by the club to the player.
Any payment to a player in relation to his playing of the game by any party related to the game is admissible.
This is besides the point anyway as we have already been told that this isn't the case and this is a gift from Koukash to evalds and Koukash's defence is this is nothing to do with Salford Red Devils. Which is how I have always said the cap can be broken. The RFL does not and cannot have the reach it needs to properly defend such a cap.
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