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| Shame to see this announcement from Saints today. A class player in his day, seems a very nice guy and a World Cup winner. He was a hugely popular figure at NZ Warriors and was instrumental in their NRL rise. His utility value was of great benefit to New Zealand as well and he was superb in historic the World Cup run. He never quite settled down at Saints, being brought in to play in the halves where he'd longed to play, but ending up being shunted around several positions much like his NRL career. His involvement in the 2014 Grand Final will be forever remembered, as will the class he showed in responding to the controversy.
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| so which NRL club is he signing for?
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| Quote ="the artist"so which NRL club is he signing for?'"
I genuinely can't see an NRL club wanting him now? I'd be surprised if they did, but good luck to him. I hope he does continue playing if that is what he wishes to do.
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| i know i was kidding really - but its happened with players in the past
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| Turn out for Salford on Friday??
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| Retired with immediate effect or end of season?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Retired with immediate effect or end of season?'"
Immediate effect.
All a tad bizarre, especially the statement from Saints (although tbf not surprising, given Saints' propensity towards being hopeless in the area of communication).
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Immediate effect.
All a tad bizarre, especially the statement from Saints (although tbf not surprising, given Saints' propensity towards being hopeless in the area of communication).'"
Agree it all seems a bit abrupt. I'm not saying it's the case but it makes it look as though there's been a big falling out.
I could understand if he'd suffered a serious injury and so retired now. But to retire now rather than see the season out seems like he's not at all happy with Saints. Whether that's justified or not is another matter.
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Quote ="Him"Agree it all seems a bit abrupt. I'm not saying it's the case but it makes it look as though there's been a big falling out.
I could understand if he'd suffered a serious injury and so retired now. But to retire now rather than see the season out seems like he's not at all happy with Saints. Whether that's justified or not is another matter.'"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/32525472
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I could understand if he'd suffered a serious injury and so retired now. But to retire now rather than see the season out seems like he's not at all happy with Saints. Whether that's justified or not is another matter.'"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/32525472
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| Looks like saints trying to say as little as possible to avoid stoking fires. Hope he's ok.
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| I'm not a doctor, but I'm going to take a punt here and suggest that 'recurrent concussion symptoms' are fairly consistent with a heavy blow to the head. Something like, say, being punched in the head whilst out cold on the floor by a rugby league player.
I'm guessing a certain Wigan player might not be sleeping well tonight.
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| Not the last we hear of this then....
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| Opens the door for him to make a legal case against whoever caused the condition.
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| Top guy, met him at the roses 20/20 match last year. A real shame his grand final ended like it did and a bigger shame his career has too. Good player, never seemed to quite settle at Saints but he was always capable of quality.
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| This could get ugly.
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| I'd expect it to have more to do with recurrent blows to the head, as with [url=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11264856Shontayne Hape[/url, than any single incident. If sh[ii[/it is hitting fan, it's possibly wider than that particular event at last year's grand final.
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| ...ugly for the sport.
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| Good luck to Lance and hopefully everything goes well for him.
One guy I've worried about is Rob Burrow. He's been knocked out quite a few times and played on. After this they might tighten up the concussion rulings even tighter.
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| Quote ="Jimbo_Returns"Good luck to Lance and hopefully everything goes well for him.
One guy I've worried about is Rob Burrow. He's been knocked out quite a few times and played on. After this they might tighten up the concussion rulings even tighter.'"
Luke robinson too. Playing at hooker in the middle of the park in their later careers won't have done them any favours either.
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| Saracens RU had some players wearing impact monitors to assess concussive injuries, but it was part of a study so, results yet to be released.
The problem is - if there is a proven link between rugby (of either code) and brain injury, then how does the game change/adapt to reduce risk?
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| You cannot remove the risk of contact to the head from any contact sport entirely. You just can't. Kallum Watkins took a knock to the head making a tackle last Friday, it's not just caused by punches or high tackles that are punishable as foul play.
All you can do as a sport is ensure that players long term health is not being put at risk by being exposed to repeated damage over a long period of time, which is why the new concussion protocols are in place.. There really isn't an awful lot else you can do without completely removing the element of contact or collision from the game and making it tag or touch and pass.
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| What about making the headguards a mandatory part of the kit? Wouldn't like to see it myself but if it stops players from suffering serious injuries then worth considering.
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| There has to be better care taken of players who receive blows to the head.
We've improved but you still see players who were knocked out either playing on or coming back on.
In the Leeds v Wigan game this year Larne Patrick came back on after initially taken off.
It's not a pop at Wigan btw I've seen it happen at other games on TV too.
To be honest I think we need to look at ways of reducing the power that is put into tackles. Whether it's through fewer interchanges or other changes to the game that would have an affect on players size/power etc.
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| Quote ="Him"There has to be better care taken of players who receive blows to the head.
We've improved but you still see players who were knocked out either playing on or coming back on.
In the Leeds v Wigan game this year Larne Patrick came back on after initially taken off.
It's not a pop at Wigan btw I've seen it happen at other games on TV too.
To be honest I think we need to look at ways of reducing the power that is put into tackles. Whether it's through fewer interchanges or other changes to the game that would have an affect on players size/power etc.'"
I don't think interchanges would affect anything, you'd potentially get even more severe injuries, as fatigue worsens technique. Reducing the 10 to 5 again might, but I probably wouldn't watch the pushathon that would cause the game to become.
Travis Burns was another severe head shot that was ignored by the ref and docs. Sam Burgess in the Grand Final another. Both broken facial bones and I'm pretty sure you can't break your cheekbone without impacting the brain.
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