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| [uSKY VIEWING FIGURES...[/u - *source barb.co.uk (Weekly Top 10s)
=#FF00002014 viewing figures updated to week ending Sep 07, 2014
[uRegular Season[/u
2008: 7,552k/48 = 157k average
2009: 8,555k/56 = 153k average
2010: 9,590k/60 = 160k average
2011: 9,138k/56 = 163k average
2012: 10,975k/65= 169k average
2013: 9,698k/63 = 154k average
=#FF00002014: 6,754k/50 = 135k average <----- down by over 12%
[uPlay-Offs[/u
2008: --676k/3 = 225k average
2009: 1,242k/6 = 207k average
2010: 1,552k/8 = 194k average
2011: 1,583k/8 = 198k average
2012: 1,285k/7 = 184k average
2013: 1,234k/7 = 176k average
=#FF00002014: ????
[uGrand Final[/u
2008: 325k
2009: 365k
2010: 299k
2011: 319k
2012: 324k
2013: 276k
=#FF00002014: ????
[uWorld Club Challenge[/u:
2008: 332k
2009: 367k
2010: 307k
2011: 206k
2012: 264k
2013: 303k
=#FF00002014: 159K (Saturday morning)
[uChampionship[/u
2008: -565k/11 = 51k
2009: -985k/21 = 47k
2010: -764k/14 = 55k
2011: 1,309k/20= 65k
2012: n/a
2013: n/a
2014: n/a
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| There's a downward trend.
Cool.
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| So shall we give the RFL some credit for mixing it up next season to arrest the downturn, or moan about the lost opportunities to capitalise from the 2013 RLWC ?
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"So shall we give the RFL some credit for mixing it up next season to arrest the downturn, or moan about the lost opportunities to capitalise from the 2013 RLWC ?'"
This being RL, moan.
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| Nothing to see hear upon closer inspection except that adding Catalans home matches to the Sky schedule will decimate your average.
An example, Round 11 Leeds vs Wigan post an impressive 245,000 on the Friday, Catalans vs Salford gets us 66,000.
A reoccurring theme of SL Saturday games (which were the Catalans ones) making the top tens for that week but being comfortably below 100,000 nearly every time.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"So shall we give the RFL some credit for mixing it up next season to arrest the downturn, or moan about the lost opportunities to capitalise from the 2013 RLWC ?'"
We shall give the RFL no credit for keeping RL club participation restricted to northern English clubs (with one exception) for 2015 on. We shall give the RFL no credit for failing to fulfill a past promise to bring in more interesting foreign club teams like Toulouse and Avignon, and for allowing the crucial non-northern English team London to fail.
That is why viewing figures in the UK are so small. Rugby league is a game mostly played by northern pit villages and mill towns. That is why British sports journalists look down on rugby league: the game is a parochial joke, not a serious international business like football and rugby union.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Nothing to see hear upon closer inspection except that adding Catalans home matches to the Sky schedule will decimate your average.
An example, Round 11 Leeds vs Wigan post an impressive 245,000 on the Friday, Catalans vs Salford gets us 66,000.
A reoccurring theme of SL Saturday games (which were the Catalans ones) making the top tens for that week but being comfortably below 100,000 nearly every time.'"
Beat me to it. Can I have the 15 mins back I just spent looking, please! lol
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Nothing to see hear upon closer inspection except that adding Catalans home matches to the Sky schedule will decimate your average.
An example, Round 11 Leeds vs Wigan post an impressive 245,000 on the Friday, Catalans vs Salford gets us 66,000.
A reoccurring theme of SL Saturday games (which were the Catalans ones) making the top tens for that week but being comfortably below 100,000 nearly every time.'"
But isn't that because Catalans Saturday games were on early, and were rarely on Sky Sports 1 or 2, but instead on Sky Sports 3 or 4 or the Red Button?
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| Found 8 Catalans home games, average viewing figure for them.....82,250
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Nothing to see hear upon closer inspection except that adding Catalans home matches to the Sky schedule will decimate your average.
An example, Round 11 Leeds vs Wigan post an impressive 245,000 on the Friday, Catalans vs Salford gets us 66,000.
A reoccurring theme of SL Saturday games (which were the Catalans ones) making the top tens for that week but being comfortably below 100,000 nearly every time.'"
What? You don't mean the facts have been spun by a certain poster so as to try and make it seem like there is a significant decrease in viewers in order to create a negative story?
But that doesn't sound like the OP, or RL fans in general to be so miserable and negative.
You'll be telling me next that someone has spent the last 6 years recording the attendances to prove that adding 2 clubs with lower than average attendances to the league has brought down the average.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"We shall give the RFL no credit for keeping RL club participation restricted to northern English clubs (with one exception) for 2015 on. We shall give the RFL no credit for failing to fulfill a past promise to bring in more interesting foreign club teams like Toulouse and Avignon, and for allowing the crucial non-northern English team London to fail.
That is why viewing figures in the UK are so small. Rugby league is a game mostly played by northern pit villages and mill towns. That is why British sports journalists look down on rugby league: the game is a parochial joke, not a serious international business like football and rugby union.'"
Name a single pit village with a Super League team.
Or a mill town.
Your image of the north is at least 40 years out of date.
You could make a better point if you made the comment that the majority of SL's fan base resides in the M62 suburbs/commuter belt in what formerly were smaller towns based around heavy industry near to the major ports and cities. A similar criticism was also levelled at the NRL in an article I believe you yourself posted on here recently. We have a lack of presence in the main cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield with only Bradford, Leeds and Hull having meaningful urban fan bases. Even if the game had infiltrated these places the fact that the media is based in London would still pose a problem.
Therefore London and Toulouse would be welcome additions. As would anywhere that could draw or potentially draw a healthy following. However the key word here should be "additions". Many in the North feel hard done to because it seems that their team at some stage has been dropped/merged/prevented from entry in favour of an expansion club that has fared no better. They are therefore angry at the RFL for "favouritism'.
It's high time this ended. It's very rare I read on here RL fans saying it's a northern game and should stay that way and much more common to hear so called fans blaming the game's ills being on insular northerners for having the bare-faced cheek to want place at the table if the game gets bigger.
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| The 'extra' Catalan home games on Saturdays must have dragged this year's figure down quite considerably? What is the figure if you don't count them
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| Quote ="Him"What? You don't mean the facts have been spun by a certain poster so as to try and make it seem like there is a significant decrease in viewers in order to create a negative story?
But that doesn't sound like the OP, or RL fans in general to be so miserable and negative.
You'll be telling me next that someone has spent the last 6 years recording the attendances to prove that adding 2 clubs with lower than average attendances to the league has brought down the average.'"
Yeah I know, it's all quite shocking isn't it.
As you'll know, the Barb/tv figures are quite a flawed thing to look at anyways as you can only record the games that made the top 10.
Saints vs Leeds at Langtree Park earlier this year took place on a busy week of football and didn't even make the Top 10, which was rounded off by a figure of 226k for the 10th most watched programme that week on SS1. So whilst it didn't make top 10 it would've still made quite a strong number, high 100's, possibly over 200k.
In July Wakey vs Widnes not only made the top 10 for that particular week, it finished as the 3rd most watched yet only attracted 87k.
I know the same issues will have faced the other seasons but you can't be sure to what extent, it just shows the whole pointlessness of using the agenda he's trying to do.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Found 8 Catalans home games, average viewing figure for them.....82,250'"
SKY will still be happy with that figure as the Catalan games are costing them barely anything to cover, as the pictures are from French TV with some graphics and commentary shoved on top.
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| In before ap comes back with more twisted stats to back up his argument.
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| It also looks like he's derived these figures by trawling back through the BARB weekly top 10s and finding the RL matches listed. Which, apart from being a pretty strange thing to do, clearly does not give an accurate reflection of the actual viewing figures because it's purely dependent on what channel the matches were broadcast on and what other sport was being shown that week.
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| When faced with bad news, shooting the messenger is often a popular response
Another popular retort is to select a figure you don't like, call it into question, and in doing so hope the rest of the figures are ultimately tainted by association.
Of course, if any figures had been omitted in the first place, there would have been accusations of being economical with the truth. The harsh reality of dealing with paranoid and insecure RL Moonie types, eh?
If it helps to comfort all those RL Moonies who cannot handle the bigger picture, I shall remove the Catalan data.
6,754k/50 = 135k average
less Printers figures of 82,250 x 8 = 658k
Revised Total for 2014: 6,096/42 = 145k average <----- 6% down on last year
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Comparing declining Sky viewing figures with declining SL attendances since 2012, what do we get?
Let's take a look shall we?
Regular season SL attendance total 2012 = 1,807,643 (Avg: 9,564)
Regular season SL attendance total 2013 = 1,619,701 (Avg: 8,570)
Regular season SL attendance total 2014 = 1,540,332 (Avg: 8,150)
[i2013 SL attendances are [u10%[/u down on 2012.
2014 SL attendances are [u5%[/u down on 2013 and [u15%[/u down on 2012.[/i
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2012 = 10,975k/65= 169k average
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2013 = 9,698k/63 = 154k average
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2012 = 6,096/42 = 145k average (excluding Catalan)
[i2013 Sky viewing figures are [u9%[/u down on 2012.
2014 Sky viewing figures are [u6%[/u down on 2013 and [u14%[/u down on 2012.[/i
I do hope it's okay to point out that both SL attendances and SL sky viewing figures exhibit a certain symmetry in comparison to one another.
If that's still too upsetting for the RL Moonies, then please accept the following two links as an olive branch...
[url=http://www.totalrl.com/super-league-tv-audience-reaches-new-high/ [uSuper League TV audiences reaches new high![/u[/url
[url=http://www.totalrl.com/grounds-optimism-tv-audiences/ [uGrounds for optimism on TV audiences![/u[/url
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| Quote ="headhunter"It also looks like he's derived these figures by trawling back through the BARB weekly top 10s and finding the RL matches listed. Which, apart from being a pretty strange thing to do, clearly does not give an accurate reflection of the actual viewing figures because it's purely dependent on what channel the matches were broadcast on and what other sport was being shown that week.'"
Do BARB's figures provide a more accurate reflection of actual viewing figures when they paint a more positive picture for SL instead?
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| When agenda driven attention seeking trolls who use to be so much better at this kind of thing find their latest 'target' dissected and found fatally flawed before the end of the 1st page they'll often resort to going back to a previous theme, in this case attendances.
Quality standards aren't just slipping in terms of the Super League it seems.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Do BARB's figures provide a more accurate reflection of actual viewing figures when they paint a more positive picture for SL instead?'" No, I really couldn't care less about the viewing figures, it just seems strange that you would go to so much effort to come up with a measure that is conjectural at best.
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| Quote ="William Eve"When faced with bad news, shooting the messenger is often a popular response
Another popular retort is to select a figure you don't like, call it into question, and in doing so hope the rest of the figures are ultimately tainted by association.
Of course, if any figures had been omitted in the first place, there would have been accusations of being economical with the truth. The harsh reality of dealing with paranoid and insecure RL Moonie types, eh?
If it helps to comfort all those RL Moonies who cannot handle the bigger picture, I shall remove the Catalan data.
6,754k/50 = 135k average
less Printers figures of 82,250 x 8 = 658k
Revised Total for 2014: 6,096/42 = 145k average <----- 6% down on last year
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Comparing declining Sky viewing figures with declining SL attendances since 2012, what do we get?
Let's take a look shall we?
Regular season SL attendance total 2012 = 1,807,643 (Avg: 9,564)
Regular season SL attendance total 2013 = 1,619,701 (Avg: 8,570)
Regular season SL attendance total 2014 = 1,540,332 (Avg: 8,150)
[i2013 SL attendances are [u10%[/u down on 2012.
2014 SL attendances are [u5%[/u down on 2013 and [u15%[/u down on 2012.[/i
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2012 = 10,975k/65= 169k average
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2013 = 9,698k/63 = 154k average
Regular season Sky viewing figures in 2012 = 6,096/42 = 145k average (excluding Catalan)
[i2013 Sky viewing figures are [u9%[/u down on 2012.
2014 Sky viewing figures are [u6%[/u down on 2013 and [u14%[/u down on 2012.[/i
I do hope it's okay to point out that both SL attendances and SL sky viewing figures exhibit a certain symmetry in comparison to one another.
If that's still too upsetting for the RL Moonies, then please accept the following two links as an olive branch...
[url=http://www.totalrl.com/super-league-tv-audience-reaches-new-high/[uSuper League TV audiences reaches new high![/u[/url
[url=http://www.totalrl.com/grounds-optimism-tv-audiences/[uGrounds for optimism on TV audiences![/u[/url'"
A downward trend.
Cool.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"When agenda driven attention seeking trolls who use to be so much better at this kind of thing find their latest 'target' dissected and found fatally flawed before the end of the 1st page they'll often resort to going back to a previous theme, in this case attendances.
Quality standards aren't just slipping in terms of the Super League it seems.'"
You accused me of an agenda last season when I produced all the SL attendance figures prior to disappearing up your own rectum.
You've now accused me of an agenda for producing all of the Sky viewing figures.
On both occasions, I included everything for comparative purposes and left nothing out.
The figures are there for anyone to interpret in their own sweet way... even if that means omitting figures which they do not like, which, in your case would be the Catalan figures.
SL attendances and Sky viewing figures in 2014 are both considerably down on 2013 and 2012 are they not?
In fact, current SL attendances and Sky viewing figures are the lowest they've been for years are they not?
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| Quote ="headhunter"No, I really couldn't care less about the viewing figures'"
Which explains why you decided to contribute to a thread about the viewing figures, obviously.
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| Quote ="William Eve"
SL attendances and Sky viewing figures in 2014 are both considerably down on 2013 and 2012 are they not?
In fact, current SL attendances and Sky viewing figures are the lowest they've been for years are they not?'"
Yeah, they've gone down.
.....well, I guess that's that discussion over with.
If there's any other trends you can bring to our attention please post them so we can agree and move on.
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| Quote ="William Eve"You accused me of an agenda last season when I produced all the SL attendance figures prior to disappearing up your own rectum. '"
Left the thread mid season because their was only so much hearing about the obvious reasons Salford and Bradford's figures were down on a weekly basis. Returned at the end when full season numbers were available to give a analysis on.
Quote ="William Eve"You've now accused me of an agenda for producing all of the Sky viewing figures.'"
You accuse anyone of suggesting a view you don't agree with as a "Moonie", tough luck if you don't want to be called agenda driven.
Quote ="William Eve"On both occasions, I included everything for comparative purposes and left nothing out.
The figures are there for anyone to interpret in their own sweet way... even if that means omitting figures which they do not like, which, in your case would be the Catalan figures.'"
Quite right you did include it all, that's why I compared the other seasons to this and pointed to the obvious major issue of Catalan home games being included on Sky this year. I've never omitted the Catalans figures, you did. Like you say "the figures are there for people to interpret in their own sweet way"......so don't sulk when they interpret them in a way you don't like. Would you like us all to just turn and say "my god William you were right all along and SL in this country is doomed".....coming from a man who hates people being "sheep" that would seem a hypocritical thing to do.
Quote ="William Eve"SL attendances and Sky viewing figures in 2014 are both considerably down on 2013 and 2012 are they not?
In fact, current SL attendances and Sky viewing figures are the lowest they've been for years are they not?'"
Yes, if you can find a quote from me that says they're not then go for it. What some of us have tried to do is add context to the figures, they'll obviously be reasons for drops, we've tried to debate the reasons why until you come along with your RL apologists line simply because it's not your view.
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