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| It would seem giving your team mate the rounds of the kitchen sink is not only a sending off but will get you a ban because the ref heard you and thought it was directed at him. Well unless you have the initials of JP.
In other news homophobic comments don't.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"It would seem giving your team mate the rounds of the kitchen sink is not only a sending off but will get you a ban because the ref heard you and thought it was directed at him. Well unless you have the initials of JP.
In other news homophobic comments don't.'"
Some have been saying for ages that there are two sets of rules depending on your club. I never saw the Leeds game, but from what I have heard on here and others, it was clear what was being said but no action taken.
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| This isn't directed at a particular club or player as all are guilty to differing extents.
I think it is about time the RFL, ref's and clubs started clamping down on this before we end up like football. Any abuse of ref's by players should be dealt with harshly. I was brought up playing at school to call the ref sir and not question anything, the captain was permitted to ask the ref for an explanation. We even used to bring the ref a water bottle during any stoppage in play.
It's something we should be proud of as a sport and needs to come back.
I don't think the ref's are any better or worse than they have ever been. The problem now is errors are highlighted a lot more due to the number of cameras about and inept commentators who won't let it go.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"This isn't directed at a particular club or player as all are guilty to differing extents.
I think it is about time the RFL, ref's and clubs started clamping down on this before we end up like football. Any abuse of ref's by players should be dealt with harshly. I was brought up playing at school to call the ref sir and not question anything, the captain was permitted to ask the ref for an explanation. We even used to bring the ref a water bottle during any stoppage in play.
It's something we should be proud of as a sport and needs to come back.
I don't think the ref's are any better or worse than they have ever been. The problem now is errors are highlighted a lot more due to the number of cameras about and inept commentators who won't let it go.'" But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. Now after seeing what happened and what was/has been ignored on Friday how can that be squared away with anyone?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. Now after seeing what happened and what was/has been ignored on Friday how can that be squared away with anyone?'"
Why? It's quite obvious that on Friday either the ref didn't hear what was being said or didn't think it was directed at him. The RFL are investigating. What more do you want?
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| Quote ="Him"Why? It's quite obvious that on Friday either the ref didn't hear what was being said or didn't think it was directed at him. The RFL are investigating. What more do you want?'" No I get that I just wonder how another ref can then decide that 2 people having a rather heated argument (Weyman and Horne) means one of them is actually talking to the ref so much so it deserves a red card (Weyman).
Maybe he just decided to to turn a deaf 'un like on Friday
Surely you can see that it does look a little suspicious.
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| As Weyman has been charged with using foul & abusive comments to a ref it is obvious that the ref felt it was directed at him. I've not seen the incident so can't comment.
They are also investigating ZH and will likely get the opinion of an expert lip reader and go from there.
I hope the RFL, if the players involved are found to be guilty, run with this and make players think twice in the future.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"As Weyman has been charged with using foul & abusive comments to a ref it is obvious that the ref felt it was directed at him. I've not seen the incident so can't comment.
They are also investigating ZH and will likely get the opinion of an expert lip reader and go from there.
I hope the RFL, if the players involved are found to be guilty, run with this and make players think twice in the future.'"
surely the referee microphones record everything that they pick up. That along with the video should be enough to know what was said and easily identify who it was aimed at.
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| Quote ="EHW"surely the referee microphones record everything that they pick up. That along with the video should be enough to know what was said and easily identify who it was aimed at.'"
Possibly. Some microphones such as the one I use at work are designed not to pick up background noise.
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"As Weyman has been charged with using foul & abusive comments to a ref it is obvious that the ref felt it was directed at him. I've not seen the incident so can't comment.
They are also investigating ZH and will likely get the opinion of an expert lip reader and go from there.
I hope the RFL, if the players involved are found to be guilty, run with this and make players think twice in the future.'"
Just seen a clip of the Peacock incident and he clearly shouts 'you effing ben.t c..t' at him, the referees need to be sponsored by an hearing aid company as well as Specsavers if they miss these things. I think the top clubs do get a more lenient time from the RFL, I still cannot believe that not one player from the Leeds v Wigan game at Magic was called up, don't get me wrong I am not one who dislikes a bit of the old fashioned biff, but if its frowned upon then it needs to be frowned upon for all, there was clearly punches thrown and some very bad head shots.
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| Everyone knows Leeds, Sir Kev & JP run the RFL. Get over it.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. Now after seeing what happened and what was/has been ignored on Friday how can that be squared away with anyone?'"
The match footage clearly shows Weyman approaches Roby & shouts in his face. Weyman knew what he had done, didn't question the decision and walked straight off.
The Hardaker incident is being looked at, but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. I haven't seen the Peacock clip.
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| Maybe the RFL need to have word with Wane. Everytime the cameras give him a close up it's effin and jeffin!
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| Last I heard the ZH incident was still being looked at, so that is not the same as nothing being done.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The match footage clearly shows Weyman approaches Roby & shouts in his face. Weyman knew what he had done, didn't question the decision and walked straight off.
The Hardaker incident is being looked at, but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. I haven't seen the Peacock clip.'"
So, two people watch the same incident yet, see two different things.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"but it is clear his comments were not aimed at the referee. '"
No it's not!
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"But this is my point.
Weyman is giving Grahame Horne a gobful not the ref but Grahame Horne it's clear by who he is looking at yet the ref decides it him he is talking too so sends him off. .....'"
I once sent a player off for calling me a bent b'stard. He maintained he was saying it to one of the opposition players. I thought it was aimed at me. End of.
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| Quote ="roversmad"So, two people watch the same incident yet, see two different things.'"
The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"No it's not!'"
It's perfectly clear. Carl Ablett does address his comments at James Child., Zak Hardaker aims his comments at the Warrington player he is looking at.
The incident is being looked at by the RFL. Crucially, they do not include the words, 'towards the referee' when announcing his comments would be investigated.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.'"
Keep your hair on.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"The Super League show is on BBC iPlayer. Watch the footage yourself.
Castleford are 40-6 ahead and Roby awards them a penalty inside the HKR 10. Weyman is No.10 and after getting to his feet following a tackle, clearly shouts something at the referee as he walks right past him.
My view differs to that of a fan of the club who had a player sent off.'"
I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"It's perfectly clear. Carl Ablett does address his comments at James Child., Zak Hardaker aims his comments at the Warrington player he is looking at.
The incident is being looked at by the RFL. Crucially, they do not include the words, 'towards the referee' when announcing his comments would be investigated.'"
You do realise the figure that walks in front of Hardaker and Ablett as Ablett says 'that's f*cking bullsh*t" is James Child? And that Zak was therefore looking straight at him when he says whatever he says?
I'm not sure why he'd be having such a go at a Warrington player over a penalty for interference at the play the ball.
The press are quite happily reporting it as alleged abuse towards James Child.
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??'"
To right it should be 1 rule for all, not say what you like after you've given a penalty away but be ok because your JP! It's a sham the RFL!
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| Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"This isn't directed at a particular club or player as all are guilty to differing extents.
I think it is about time the RFL, ref's and clubs started clamping down on this before we end up like football. Any abuse of ref's by players should be dealt with harshly. I was brought up playing at school to call the ref sir and not question anything, the captain was permitted to ask the ref for an explanation. We even used to bring the ref a water bottle during any stoppage in play.
It's something we should be proud of as a sport and needs to come back.
I don't think the ref's are any better or worse than they have ever been. The problem now is errors are highlighted a lot more due to the number of cameras about and inept commentators who won't let it go.'"
Great post.
I don't see enough tv games to know how widespread the problem is becoming but could not agree more with the sentiments of your post
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| Quote ="Hessle rover"I want what is right across the board, being a fan of the sport. So when Peacock and Hardaker get the same punishment as Wayman has just received for what is the same offence IMO. That's all we ask for......is it??'"
Weyman abused Roby directly. I haven't seen the Peacock incident, is it available anywhere? Hardaker isn't aiming his comments at the referee, so I fail to see how the punishment can be the same.
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