Poor quality kickers just use this as a get out of jail tactic. Don't like yawnion but bout time we followed them and brought play back to where the kick was made.

Wigan mastered this [especially Leulai but more teams seem to be following suit.

I agree but this certainly isn't purely a Wigan tactic.

Every team does it.

Simple solution, bring in a rule like icing in ice hockey.

Kick the ball dead from your own half, the tap restart is on the 40 or halfway instead of the 20.

Or instead of bringin play back, make it a penalty on the 20 instead of a tap.

I've got no problem with it. Seems as if some people won't be happy until it's 72-64 each match

It's a totally negative tactic that devalues the battle for field position. Any donkey can hammer a ball dead and it can often make up for the team not having much of a pack.

Within the the 20 restart on 20, everywhere else restarts at the point of the kick. Simple

Difference is that the union in goal areas are much bigger. Most SL grounds are only 5 deep and the majority of kicks only just run dead.

Spot on.

Kick returns are one of the more exciting plays we have in the game, I don't like the idea of hammering the ball dead with absolutely no chance of returning it to in order to negate players with the abilities of Sam Tomkins or Billy Slater.

I think something has to be done. Its an easy get out for sides and a restart at the 40 would change the attitude towards using such tactics.

Don't you know that Wigan invented:

The High Tackle
Wrestling in the ruck
3 man tackles
Off-side at the PTB
Markers not being square
Forward passes

AND are also the cause of Global Warming, World Famine & Andy Murray not winning Wimbledon?

If one followed RLFans as gospel Wigan would have a lot to account for in the world.

Also, i'd just like to point out, the reason Tommy's kicks go out dead is because he can be a poor kicker of the ball.

I agree with the out-and-out kicks for dead. But what would you do with the sort of kick often made by the likes of Danny Brough or Lee Briers where they attempt to have the ball stop just short of or in the try box only for it to dribble the last few inches and end up over the line? This type of kick, with the aim to build pressure, is entirely meritorious and when they come off can lead to exciting rugby. Players may not risk these if the penalty for failure were loss of territory, then they'd all go back to playing it safe and kicking for touch - a standard Union tactic.

Some full backs are happy to just let the ball run dead even if they can make a play at it, what would happen then?

Leeds and especially Kevin Sinfield have done this for years. I didn't like it then and don't like it now. Think a 40 metre restart would be too harsh. Ball back to where kicked would seem a fair compromise.

Pro's and cons all round for this but I agree it is easy to get out of trouble if you have a kicker that can just hoof it dead. A penalty on the 20 would be pointless because you can already kick for touch from the restart just has to bounce before going dead.

I think the restart on the 40 would be a good way to stop it happening so often and hopefully improve the standard of kicks. I would only do this though if the kick was made from within your own half.

Still too many rules being changed/manipulated when our game is good enough as it is. Would be nice if coaches and players alike would stop trying to find shortcuts and appreciate the game as it is supposed to be played.

Simple solution.

Within 20m from opposition line - 20m restart
Within 50m to 20m from opposition line - 30m restart
Own half - 40m restart.

So what's stopping the full back/wingers just letting the kick go dead so they get a better restart?

So problem will still be there.

Exactly. More often than not it's the fullback that is willing the ball over the line and want it to go dead. Therefore you can't just have a go at the attacking team for the negative tactics. Who's to determine it's the attacker's fault or the un-willing defender's fault? I don't think there's a massive problem with it, it's not as though it happens every last tackle during the game.

We should stop the full back being tackled too. That would make the game more interesting.

It's perfectly ok as it is

It's fine as it is. Why would want to go even further in encouraging fullbacks and wingers not to run the ball back?

Yep the rule is fine as it is. As has been said wingers & full backs are often willing the ball dead, and if the defending team are so worried about it then they can defend it better, either through dropping more men back to make it harder to kick into space or pressuring the kicker more.

I like the penalty on the 20 idea

Maybe you'd prefer it the rules were changed to make it mandatory to kick the ball straight to them and then not chase the kick so they don't feel under pressure and risk knocking on, hell why not outlaw tackling such players as well because we wouldn't want to negate their attacking abilities with such negative tactics!!!

It is the responsibility of the defending team to work out how to defend against such tactics ,not the authorities job to prevent them!