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Look how many teams we now have in quality stadiums or making real strides to get into a quality rugby league arena. We didn't have this before super league. Now super league has become a franchise the clubs are under pressure to perform in this area.
Wigan
Hull
Huddersfield
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Widnes
We have 6 teams in quality stadiums already out of the teams who will be in super league next season. 3 of those stadiums are facilities fit for top flight football.
Saints and Salford are both currently building new grounds and both will be read for next season! See here.... they both look brilliant.
www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/new-st ... m-the-site
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/974
The we have Catalans who have just built a brand new stand at one end soon to be extended to the rest of the stadium......
www.mairie-perpignan.fr/sites/de ... stoire.pdf pdf document.
Warrington have announced plans to extend their current stadium at the end of this year up to 15,000 which is needed extra capacity.
Leeds have also announced plans to renovate their current stadium with a brand new south stand and eventually a new North stand to fit the style of the carnegie stand.
Hull KR have recently extended their east stand and will finish the other end before next season I think. They have also announced plans for a new north stand which will make craven park a stadium fit for super league.
Wakefield have plans to develop Belle Vue up to the minimum requirements of super league. While this is not as impressive as the brand new stadiums, it will improve the experience for supporters. This looks much more realistic than plans for a brand new stadium and maybe the fake promises have finished from wakey?
Castleford have major plans for a new stadium, I think funding is the only problem here.
Crusaders are playing in a quality venue in Wrexham and IMO that is one of the best away days behind Catalans and the magic weekend. Bradfords stadium could still use some work but it does have over 5k covered seats and loads of corporate facilities so it is a huge improvement on pre super league venues.
Finally outside super league both Leigh and Halifax are now playing in super league standard stadiums and will no doubt be prepared in this area if their time comes to be accepted into the top flight.
In conclusion as a RL fan I rejoice in the development of the venues where our great game is played. Show me another sport in the world which has so many stadium developments going on in just one league. These new stadiums and extensions will see RL develop over the coming years and I can't wait for them all to finish. I am sick of all the doom and gloom about how franchising is not working etc. well franchising has had a big part to play in some of these developments. Its fantastic to see in our sport, you don't see so many stadium developments going on in RU. Hopefully this will make our sport sustainable for years to come and we will see crowds fly up as a result. |
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Look how many teams we now have in quality stadiums or making real strides to get into a quality rugby league arena. We didn't have this before super league. Now super league has become a franchise the clubs are under pressure to perform in this area.
Wigan
Hull
Huddersfield
Quins
Warrington
Widnes
We have 6 teams in quality stadiums already out of the teams who will be in super league next season. 3 of those stadiums are facilities fit for top flight football.
Saints and Salford are both currently building new grounds and both will be read for next season! See here.... they both look brilliant.
www.reds.co.uk/rugby-news/new-st ... m-the-site
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/974
The we have Catalans who have just built a brand new stand at one end soon to be extended to the rest of the stadium......
www.mairie-perpignan.fr/sites/de ... stoire.pdf pdf document.
Warrington have announced plans to extend their current stadium at the end of this year up to 15,000 which is needed extra capacity.
Leeds have also announced plans to renovate their current stadium with a brand new south stand and eventually a new North stand to fit the style of the carnegie stand.
Hull KR have recently extended their east stand and will finish the other end before next season I think. They have also announced plans for a new north stand which will make craven park a stadium fit for super league.
Wakefield have plans to develop Belle Vue up to the minimum requirements of super league. While this is not as impressive as the brand new stadiums, it will improve the experience for supporters. This looks much more realistic than plans for a brand new stadium and maybe the fake promises have finished from wakey?
Castleford have major plans for a new stadium, I think funding is the only problem here.
Crusaders are playing in a quality venue in Wrexham and IMO that is one of the best away days behind Catalans and the magic weekend. Bradfords stadium could still use some work but it does have over 5k covered seats and loads of corporate facilities so it is a huge improvement on pre super league venues.
Finally outside super league both Leigh and Halifax are now playing in super league standard stadiums and will no doubt be prepared in this area if their time comes to be accepted into the top flight.
In conclusion as a RL fan I rejoice in the development of the venues where our great game is played. Show me another sport in the world which has so many stadium developments going on in just one league. These new stadiums and extensions will see RL develop over the coming years and I can't wait for them all to finish. I am sick of all the doom and gloom about how franchising is not working etc. well franchising has had a big part to play in some of these developments. Its fantastic to see in our sport, you don't see so many stadium developments going on in RU. Hopefully this will make our sport sustainable for years to come and we will see crowds fly up as a result. | |
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Absolutely spot on. The pressure on clubs to sort their stadiums out IS one of the good things to come out of franchising. Can't argue with that.
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The first 3 you mention have nothing to do with franchising - these are soccer stadiums that rugby clubs play at. The 4th is a rugby union stadium again nothing to do with franchising.
As a Leeds fans I am embarrassed at the state of 3/4s of the ground - the new Southstand has everything to do with H&S and nothing to do with franchising. The H&SE would close the stand beyond this year - looking at the design Leeds have gone for the cheapest possible option.
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Don't forget the lower leagues too. Widnes, Leigh, Sheffield, Rochdale, Doncaster and Fax play in grounds fit for Super League. Swinton, York and Barrow are all in various processes of getting new stadium. Also in Dewsbury, Batley, Keighley and Hunslet you have stadia that maybe arn't up to SL criteria, but are vastly improved on what they had 20 years ago. Fev are also redeveloping their ground and I think that may make their ground capable of being passed for SL.
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The value of new grounds is in their ability to generate additional revenue from dinners,events,corporate facilities etc.Having 500 people in for dinner/lunch before a game is probably equal to an extra 2,500 on the gate.
After new grounds,I hope Clubs turn their attention to improved training facilities - I know 2/3 Clubs have state of the art facilities,but a number of other Clubs need to make significant progress.Still,small steps and I fully appreciate that sensible financial planning is another factor.
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| Quote ="Speccy"The value of new grounds is in their ability to generate additional revenue from dinners,events,corporate facilities etc.Having 500 people in for dinner/lunch before a game is probably equal to an extra 2,500 on the gate.
After new grounds,I hope Clubs turn their attention to improved training facilities - I know 2/3 Clubs have state of the art facilities,but a number of other Clubs need to make significant progress.Still,small steps and I fully appreciate that sensible financial planning is another factor.'"
At the same time, I know for a fact that Leigh lose out massively on corporate being in the LSV compared to Hilton Park. |
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The danger of council owned stadia is the lease. As posted Leigh are shafted and have lost nearly all revenue streams as a result of their 'deal' with LSV, Widnes were in a similar position when SoC took over the lease being the first thing that was changed after administration. I imagine similar applies to Hull, Donny etc
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The first 3 you mention have nothing to do with franchising - these are soccer stadiums that rugby clubs play at. The 4th is a rugby union stadium again nothing to do with franchising.
As a Leeds fans I am embarrassed at the state of 3/4s of the ground - the new Southstand has everything to do with H&S and nothing to do with franchising. The H&SE would close the stand beyond this year - looking at the design Leeds have gone for the cheapest possible option.'"
Correct, these clubs fell lucky that the football club in the areas were in appalling grounds, there is no way that any of these stadiums would have been builkt had Wigan Athletic, Hull City or Huddersfield Town not needed new stadia, in fact if all three would have struggled to get licenses based on the 2008 criteria in their old grounds. |
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I agree...the days of p*ssing against a metal sheet at Saint's have finally ended!!
With regards to Salford, looks (unless I'm mistaken) that a couple of the stands are only one tier...maybe its budget restraints, but I'd of thought that if you're building from scratch they could have made it a 20,000 capacity at least? Still, anything is better than the Willows!
SL standards are defo moving in the right direction now....and franchises have made it happen, for years these clubs have claimed they are going to build these facilities, but before the franchise process, they didn't have the pressure to actually deliver!
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Just a shame that apart from 3/4 clubs the games on it's 4rs3
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| Quote ="rover49"Correct, these clubs fell lucky that the football club in the areas were in appalling grounds, there is no way that any of these stadiums would have been builkt had Wigan Athletic, Hull City or Huddersfield Town not needed new stadia, in fact if all three would have struggled to get licenses based on the 2008 criteria in their old grounds.'"
I rekon that central park is still better than headingley is now, similar layout, just bigger with roofs on each end. That ground would still be better than most. Either way Wigan would have upgraded CP further i rekon, to 3/4 seating at least. |
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Do you think the quality of stadia in British RL, and its gradual build up in quality could be key to the eventual return of promotion and relegation?
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Conversely had the Giants, Wigan and Hull FC not also needed a new ground then the corresponding soccer clubs wouldn't have got new grounds.
FWIW Hudds town didn't need a new ground, but the opportunity was there to creat a state of the art, award winning venue for the region that would benefit the SHARED OWNERS of the council, rugby and football clubs.
As for P&R the requirement for that would also be dependent on well rub, competitive and solvent clubs.
Also, P&R was a FAILED experiment for RL. All that has happened is a return to a format we know worked...
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| Quote ="Code13"Conversely had the Giants, Wigan and Hull FC not also needed a new ground then the corresponding soccer clubs wouldn't have got new grounds.
FWIW Hudds town didn't need a new ground, but the opportunity was there to creat a state of the art, award winning venue for the region that would benefit the SHARED OWNERS of the council, rugby and football clubs.
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Town did need a new ground or they'd have spent a shed load getting Leeds Rd upto scratch, the timing just happened to be right with us also needing one or doing Fartown up.
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| Quote ="Hear Ye!"With regards to Salford, looks (unless I'm mistaken) that a couple of the stands are only one tier...maybe its budget restraints, but I'd of thought that if you're building from scratch they could have made it a 20,000 capacity at least? Still, anything is better than the Willows! '"
You cut your cloth according to both your means and your needs - why would Salford need a 20k capacity stadium, even if they take on Sale as tenants?
Similarly Leeds fans have been bitching about the slight reduction in capacity that the new South Stand will bring, yet the ground in its current form (since the Carnegie Stand was completed) has only ever sold out once or twice. |
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| Quote ="rover49"Correct, these clubs fell lucky that the football club in the areas were in appalling grounds, there is no way that any of these stadiums would have been builkt had Wigan Athletic, Hull City or Huddersfield Town not needed new stadia, in fact if all three would have struggled to get licenses based on the 2008 criteria in their old grounds.'"
Actually Central Park when it was knocked down was just as good as headingly is now but with a higher capacity and more of the crowd being covered and in a town centre location. Had we not moved in with the football club, the alternative was for our own stadium on that site holding around 20k. Both Hudds and Hulls stadiums were built for BOTH the football AND rugby teams, you make it sound like the rugby teams moved in later on.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"The first 3 you mention have nothing to do with franchising - these are soccer stadiums that rugby clubs play at. The 4th is a rugby union stadium again nothing to do with franchising.
As a Leeds fans I am embarrassed at the state of 3/4s of the ground - the new Southstand has everything to do with H&S and nothing to do with franchising. The H&SE would close the stand beyond this year - looking at the design Leeds have gone for the cheapest possible option.'"
I am just praising the fact that our sport is played in great stadiums, it doesn't matter who else plays there or who payed for it, as long as RL will be played there for the forseeable future.
It doesn't matter if it is because of H&S, it will be great for RL fans to be watching the game in a better venue. Headingly still needs improving anyway, they are now behind the other top clubs in terms of their stadium.
As for poeples comments about councils etc. saying it has nothing to do with franchising.... why can't we just be thankful that some of the councils in RL towns are so willing to build stadiums for their town? |
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Actually Central Park when it was knocked down was just as good as headingly is now but with a higher capacity and more of the crowd being covered and in a town centre location. Had we not moved in with the football club, the alternative was for our own stadium on that site holding around 20k. Both Hudds and Hulls stadiums were built for BOTH the football AND rugby teams, you make it sound like the rugby teams moved in later on.
I am just praising the fact that our sport is played in great stadiums, it doesn't matter who else plays there or who payed for it, as long as RL will be played there for the forseeable future.
It doesn't matter if it is because of H&S, it will be great for RL fans to be watching the game in a better venue. Headingly still needs improving anyway, they are now behind the other top clubs in terms of their stadium.
As for poeples comments about councils etc. saying it has nothing to do with franchising.... why can't we just be thankful that some of the councils in RL towns are so willing to build stadiums for their town?'"
What I said was they wouldn't have been built without the football teams involvement. |
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Had Wigan not moved in with the football club they would have played at The Reebok.Dave Whelan wanted to redvelop Central Park as a shared stadium with Latics,the rugby club refused.The rugby club then hit financial difficulties which meant they had to sell Central Park.Thats when they had the choice to go to Bolton,or sell out to Whelan and stay in Wigan.Franchising had nothing to do with Wigan moving grounds.
Central Park was a wonerful ground full of history and atmosphere.As the OP says,it was better when it was knocked down than Headingley is now.Leeds are living off the Cricket clubs corporate facilities,as a visiting supporter its no better than Wakefield,an uncovered terrace behind the sticks and a row of burger vans at the back.And terrible parking for cars.
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| Quote ="snowdog"Had Wigan not moved in with the football club they would have played at The Reebok.Dave Whelan wanted to redvelop Central Park as a shared stadium with Latics,the rugby club refused.The rugby club then hit financial difficulties which meant they had to sell Central Park.Thats when they had the choice to go to Bolton,or sell out to Whelan and stay in Wigan.Franchising had nothing to do with Wigan moving grounds.
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Central Park was a wonerful ground full of history and atmosphere.As the OP says,it was better when it was knocked down than Headingley is now.Leeds are living off the Cricket clubs corporate facilities,as a visiting supporter its no better than Wakefield,an uncovered terrace behind the sticks and a row of burger vans at the back.And terrible parking for cars.'"
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| Quote ="snowdog"Central Park was a wonerful ground full of history and atmosphere.As the OP says,it was better when it was knocked down than Headingley is now.Leeds are living off the Cricket clubs corporate facilities,as a visiting supporter its no better than Wakefield,an uncovered terrace behind the sticks and a row of burger vans at the back.And terrible parking for cars.'"
How are they the cricket club's facilities? Leeds financed the development of the Headingley Lodge and the facilities within it. YCCC didn't own the ground so didn't sink anything into the building costs. |
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Sorry but that picture of Castlefords ground is hilarious, can they not afford a proper computer generated picture???
Hull KR announced their ground updates around the same time their franchise application went in, is anything actually happening with that ground other then somebody drawing a picture?
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| Quote ="Hazzer"=#FF0000Sorry but that picture of Castlefords ground is hilarious, can they not afford a proper computer generated picture???
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