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| Has he played at centre in the past? Would he go well there? Imo Tom Briscoe needs to be dropped because he looks well out of his depth. Lee Smith needs to take his spot the wing because he was getting shown up in defence at centre but he's good for a try or two so should play.
That leaves a centre position vacant and not many potential candidates. I'd prefer Eastmond not to have to play centre because he's so good at half back. Ellis is too slow and needed in the middle. Sykes is crap. The only option I can see other than Wilkin is Chris Bridge. Smith should have picked Senior and Pryce.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Has he played at centre in the past? Would he go well there? Imo Tom Briscoe needs to be dropped because he looks well out of his depth. Lee Smith needs to take his spot the wing because he was getting shown up in defence at centre but he's good for a try or two so should play.
That leaves a centre position vacant and not many potential candidates. I'd prefer Eastmond not to have to play centre because he's so good at half back. Ellis is too slow and needed in the middle. Sykes is crap. The only option I can see other than Wilkin is Chris Bridge. Smith should have picked Senior and Pryce.'"
I can't really remember Wilkin playing in the centre and don't think he would stand a chance in that position against worl class opposition and if Ellis is too slow then Wilkin certainly is. I agrre Lee Smith should be on the wing as at centre he is probably out of his depth at this level but a very able winger, but i don't totally agree that Briscoe looked way out of his depth as i think he didn't really have much chance to impose himself attacking wise and defensively Mcguire and Smith who were inside him badly let him down.
I think he will play Eastmond in the centre position because i dnt really see any other candidates that are in the squad, as you rightly said Sykes is crap and god only knows how he has managed to get in the squad, my guess is that he must know something about Tony Smith.
Senior and Gleeson should have been in the squad and believe Smith made a massive mistake by not picking them, he was trying to be too clever. If these 2 had played on Saturday the result could have been a lot different because i dnt think the Aussies would have had half as much joy down the left hand side!
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| We wouldn't have such a problem if
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"We wouldn't have such a problem if
Pryce
Gleeson
Atkins
Senior
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Ones injured, one had retired (but couldnt be bothered to inform the coach of such himself), one hasnt played centre for years the other had his worse season in sl (though at his best is a cracking centrer).
Dont get me wrong i would have liked to have seen pryce or gleeson there over smith (who has never really been a centre) but we cant now which gives us only a few choices ellis, eastmond or bridge. I wouldnt put ellis there as why play our best second row in the backs? eastmond is a cracking player but against those big kiwi centres how will he fair? which leaves us with bridge who has looked good when i have seen him this year but i'm not sure international quality. I think tony smith should consider either shifting ellis to the other second row spot or swapping shenton to that side to improve our defence.
For me put eastmond in the halfs.
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| I agree with Eastmond in the halves, he and Tomkins are so dangerous.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"I agree with Eastmond in the halves, he and Tomkins are so dangerous.'"
They certainly are, i'm really looking forward to seeing these two in future years as there experiance grows and with it there talent.
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| With the current squad they have, they're best sticking with Eastmond at centre & Smith on the wing.
Why is it such a rarity that we can't produce a world class centre & winger in this country. In the last 10-15 years, I can only think of a handful, who weren't 1 season wonders ie Newlove, Robinson, Senior, Gleeson, Ellis, Sullivan (Yes I know he played for Wales) etc
The team I'd pick for the Kiwis is fairly obvious-
1)Briscoe 2)Smith 3)Eastmond 4)Shenton 5)Hall 6)McGuire 7)Tomkins Morley 9)Roby 10)Peacock 11)Ellis 12)Wilkin 13)Sinfield 14)Burgess 15)Graham 16)Crabtree 17)Moore
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| Quote ="WindleSaint"With the current squad they have, they're best sticking with Eastmond at centre & Smith on the wing.
Why is it such a rarity that we can't produce a world class centre & winger in this country. In the last 10-15 years, I can only think of a handful, who weren't 1 season wonders ie Newlove, Robinson, Senior, Gleeson, Ellis, Sullivan (Yes I know he played for Wales) etc
The team I'd pick for the Kiwis is fairly obvious-
1)Briscoe 2)Smith 3)Eastmond 4)Shenton 5)Hall 6)McGuire 7)Tomkins
Morley 9)Roby 10)Peacock 11)Ellis 12)Wilkin 13)Sinfield 14)Burgess 15)Graham 16)Crabtree 17)Moore'"
Using the squad at his disposal, I would go for the following:
1)Briscoe 2)Smith 3)Eastmond 4)Shenton 5)Hall 6)Tomkins 7) Myler Morley 9)Roby 10)Peacock 11)Ellis 12)Wilkin 13)Burgess 14)Westwood 15)Graham 16)Crabtree 17)Bridge
Not much more choice, but a lot of it's down to the squad Tony Smith selected.
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| All well and good but James Graham ISN'T an Impact Player. I hard grafter and relentless workhorse.
Pack:
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Graham
Peacock
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Subs
Crabtree
Westwood
Carvell
Wilkin
One thing is key though, we must switch on as soon as we leave the sheds, face up to the HAKA and get into them from second one.
If we start playing 15minutes in or at half time like we have been doing we'll be watching the Kiwi's and Aussies the following week
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| Quote ="Daz Bomb"All well and good but James Graham ISN'T an Impact Player. I hard grafter and relentless workhorse.
Pack:
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Sinfield
Graham
Peacock
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Ellis
Subs
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Westwood
Carvell
Wilkin
One thing is key though, we must switch on as soon as we leave the sheds, face up to the HAKA and get into them from second one.
If we start playing 15minutes in or at half time like we have been doing we'll be watching the Kiwi's and Aussies the following week'"
No Roby? Who is actually 1 of our better players, and one of a few the Aussies & Kiwis fear. I'll admit, he's better as a impact sub.
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| Mate,
Ive nothing against Roby, My selection is based on what were facing.
Roby is a genuine superleague player, However hes not the biggest physically and i personally thought Sinfield was a sniff better in the second half.
Both Teams have clearly stated its going to be fierce out there.
Moi Moi has said in the Sydney Morning Herald "its on and has a big point to prove"
Graham as mentioned it and Tommy Leululi
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| Wilkin = Flat Track Bully.
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| Difficult one this week but id go with all forwards on the bench with sinfield to swapp in with roby as i thought he played really well at 9 last week
Briscoe
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Eastmond
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| Quote ="leedsmetbull1"Difficult one this week but id go with all forwards on the bench with sinfield to swapp in with roby as i thought he played really well at 9 last week
Briscoe
Smith
Eastmond
Shenton
Hall
McGuire
Tomkins
Morley
Roby
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Sinfield
Burgess
Crabtree
Carvell
Westwood'"
The team has already been named and is as follows:
Shaun Briscoe
Peter Fox
Chris Bridge
Michael Shenton
Ryan Hall
Sam Tomkins
Kyle Eastmond
Adrian Morley
James Roby
James Graham
Jamie Peacock
Gareth Ellis
Kevin Sinfield
Bench:
Sam Burgess
Eorl Crabtree
Ben Westwood
Jon Wilkin
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| Im glad that McGurie has been dropped, nice to see eastmond getting his chance at 7 and also happy Jon Wilkin has been brought back in.
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| Quote ="JTB"The team has already been named and is as follows:
Shaun Briscoe
Peter Fox
Chris Bridge
Michael Shenton
Ryan Hall
Sam Tomkins
Kyle Eastmond
Adrian Morley
James Roby
James Graham
Jamie Peacock
Gareth Ellis
Kevin Sinfield
Bench:
Sam Burgess
Eorl Crabtree
Ben Westwood
Jon Wilkin'"
Fair do's didnt realise it had posted yet,
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Has he played at centre in the past? Would he go well there? Imo Tom Briscoe needs to be dropped because he looks well out of his depth. Lee Smith needs to take his spot the wing because he was getting shown up in defence at centre but he's good for a try or two so should play.
That leaves a centre position vacant and not many potential candidates. I'd prefer Eastmond not to have to play centre because he's so good at half back. Ellis is too slow and needed in the middle. Sykes is crap. The only option I can see other than Wilkin is Chris Bridge. Smith should have picked Senior and Pryce.'"
Say a lot about wilkin but he has better hands for distribution than sinfield from 13. Lets be honest sinfield is in the squad for his kicking as there is no one better but like I stated previously with sinfield at 13 you lose some attacking options because he can only pass one way.
Wilkin also has a good eye for attacking runs and breaking the line.
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| Quote ="pyeman"They certainly are, i'm really looking forward to seeing these two in future years as there experiance grows and with it there talent.'"
Do you think if these guys really hit their potential Rugby League can keep them. Personaly I doubt it.
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| Quote ="leedsmetbull1"Difficult one this week but id go with all forwards on the bench with sinfield to swapp in with roby as i thought he played really well at 9 last week
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Maybe that was because the link in the halfs was poor for a big portion of the match.
I would not count Roby out yet and how can you put sinfield in at 9 when he can only pass one way?
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| Quote ="smileysaint"Do you think if these guys really hit their potential Rugby League can keep them. Personaly I doubt it.'"
Well one of them is tied down to a 5 year contract at one of the richest clubs in the game, the other i'm not so sure but if he is going to be representing his country at his chosen sport that should be reason enough for him to stay in the sport. All depends how much poison offiah whispers in his ear.
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| Quote ="smileysaint"Wilkin also has a good eye for attacking runs and breaking the line.'"
This is the part of Wilkin's play that few fans of any club appreciate, that and he defends like a demon. He also has a kicking game, when he is in the mood/on form/allowed to kick (whichever is applicable) and that might be helpful if we get injuries or if a player needs rest time.
I'm unsure about Fox and Bridge myself as I haven't seen enough of them to judge although Fox's form may have slipped, according to what I've read elsewhere on here. Hopefully he will go in with belief and that may help him keep a cool head and cover his post well.
Roby is dodgy at present so far as his passing is concerned but he is another one who defends like a demon and he also has some scooting pace which may help get around the Kiwi big men.
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| I really like Wilkin,he's got good hands & i actually think he's been v good when he's played in the halfs on emergency occasions. His only problem is that he's light for a forward & is definately a dry weather,hard ground player. In wet conditions he doesn't make many yards.
Its going to be interesting to see how Tomkins & Eastmond gel together, they're both exciting players but v inexperienced. Sinfield is gonna have to step up. It is refreshing to have a coach who is strong enough to drop big name players. In the past, England/British coaches have been guilty of refusing to drop players who were still getting by on past reputations.
What do people think of Bridge at centre? Is he capable of breaking the line & creating chances for his winger against the Kiwis?
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| Quote ="smileysaint"I would not count Roby out yet and how can you put sinfield in at 9 when he can only pass one way?'"
It's not stopped Cunningham playing at dummy half - since his elbow injury his distribution, particularly the flat pass over any sort of distance, has been much less accurate than it was.
Besides, if Sinfield can pass in one direction it puts him one direction ahead of Roby/Higham.
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| Quote ="WindleSaint"I really like Wilkin,he's got good hands & i actually think he's been v good when he's played in the halfs on emergency occasions. His only problem is that he's light for a forward & is definately a dry weather,hard ground player. In wet conditions he doesn't make many yards.
Its going to be interesting to see how Tomkins & Eastmond gel together, they're both exciting players but v inexperienced. Sinfield is gonna have to step up. It is refreshing to have a coach who is strong enough to drop big name players. In the past, England/British coaches have been guilty of refusing to drop players who were still getting by on past reputations.
What do people think of Bridge at centre? Is he capable of breaking the line & creating chances for his winger against the Kiwis?'"
Only if we change our tactics and get the ball out wide.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"It's not stopped Cunningham playing at dummy half - since his elbow injury his distribution, particularly the flat pass over any sort of distance, has been much less accurate than it was.
Besides, if Sinfield can pass in one direction it puts him one direction ahead of Roby/Higham.
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lulz very good
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