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| How do people think he did tonight? Obviously Saints fans will think he had a great game but how do the neutrals feel?
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| I think he's done alright and handled the fiery ten minutes or so very well.
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| Quote ="Tom Brady"How do people think he did tonight? Obviously Saints fans will think he had a great game but how do the neutrals feel?'" well there still playing, and hes gone really well imo
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| really? i cant agree, i thought he was pretty poor to be honest
people will say that he has let it flow but refs should penalise penalties otherwise the game becomes a lottery, and i think that he let far too much go tonight you can see that in the frustration of both sets of players
i think the powers that be need to look at the ptb, its a mess at the moment
i dont know if we can blame the refs for this because it seems to happen every game now, there doesnt seem to be a consistant approach for it to be refereed, he has let plenty go but punished lesser offences which (whilst im not saying it has happened in this case because Saints have been the better team) can mean the game isnt won by the best team
at the moment that part of the game is almost universally poorly refereed,
saying that he reffed it well during a hot few minutes but he let some pretty poor stuff go
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| He had an excellent game--easy to knock refs so give praise when its deserved.
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| Very difficult job when you are dealing with tarts like Ryan Bailey
And very funny when Peacock through the hissy fit
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| Quote ="Starbug"Very difficult job when you are dealing with tarts like Ryan Bailey
And very funny when Peacock through the hissy fit
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im sure Maurie Fa'asavalu agrees
and he sought out a James Graham who was gagging for a fight on his next run, Bailey had a very good game, the best leeds forward by a bit
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| i thought he let a few things go at the PTB but other than he did ok
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"im sure Maurie Fa'asavalu agrees
and he sought out a James Graham who was gagging for a fight on his next run, Bailey had a very good game, the best leeds forward by a bit'"
You mean when he ran sideways to avoid the ' hit '
Then he took how many balls after that ?
One was it
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| how can he penalise a player for tackling too hard? he was poor
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| Very good game.
For too long refs have picked up on every single little niggle and blown up. As Stevo said, Bentham showed common sense, let the game flow an look at the spectacle we enjoyed as a result (partly).
A good hard rough, tough game, good to see some real fire!
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| Quote ="Starbug"You mean when he ran sideways to avoid the ' hit '
Then he took how many balls after that ?
One was it'"
no i mean when he ran sideways to get to graham, he targetted him and ran at him, he did that when Graham was spoiling for a fight and he did it legally and fairly
Saints pack won it for them, but i would still say Bailey was the best forward on the field, had Peacock, Kylie, Burgess, Ablett, etc showed up at even 80% of what Bailey did Leeds would have won, but they didnt they were dominated by the saints pack
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| Did well. Controlled the fiery part of the game before it got out of hand.
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| Quote ="Buffalo"Very good game.
For too long refs have picked up on every single little niggle and blown up. As Stevo said, Bentham showed common sense, let the game flow an look at the spectacle we enjoyed as a result (partly).
A good hard rough, tough game, good to see some real fire!'"
you say that, and i understand where you are coming from
but.... he let worse things go and punished lesser things, the PTB became a lottery for penalties it was pure guesswork as to what would be punished, i have no problem with us relaxing the rules on teh PTB, but there needs to be consistancy and we arent close to that at the moment
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you say that, and i understand where you are coming from
but.... he let worse things go and punished lesser things, the PTB became a lottery for penalties it was pure guesswork as to what would be punished, i have no problem with us relaxing the rules on teh PTB, but there needs to be consistancy and we arent close to that at the moment'"
If you think you can do better , you know what to do
Lets face it you can do everything better than anybody
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"you say that, and i understand where you are coming from
but.... he let worse things go and punished lesser things, the PTB became a lottery for penalties it was pure guesswork as to what would be punished, i have no problem with us relaxing the rules on teh PTB, but there needs to be consistancy and we arent close to that at the moment'"
Fair point, he seemed to go in peaks & troughs - letting minor infringments go and five minutes later blowing up. I do think the game was better for letting it flow though.
I personally prefer the game with some leeway - let's hope the refs can get used to being a little more lenient and keep it consistent.
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| Quote ="Starbug"If you think you can do better , you know what to do
Lets face it you can do everything better than anybody'"
cheers, the closest you have been to right in a long time
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| Quote ="Buffalo"Fair point, he seemed to go in peaks & troughs - letting minor infringments go and five minutes later blowing up. I do think the game was better for letting it flow though.
I personally prefer the game with some leeway - let's hope the refs can get used to being a little more lenient and keep it consistent.'"
thats an inherent problem with 'letting it flow' because 'letting it flow' means allowing rules to be broken whilst punishing them same rules at another time,
what there needs to be is rules that mean we dont get 50 penalties a game, but where whenever a rule is broken it is punished
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| I thought Graham was better than Bailey, his all round play particularly in defence was superb, plus he had a hand in Wheeler's try which clinched it for Saints.
Bentham did very well in keeping control of the game, we've all been to games where we've said 'the ref has lost control', that didn't happen today and it certainly could of!
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| Quote ="AJ Viking"I thought Graham was better than Bailey, his all round play particularly in defence was superb, plus he had a hand in Wheeler's try which clinched it for Saints.
Bentham did very well in keeping control of the game, we've all been to games where we've said 'the ref has lost control', that didn't happen today and it certainly could of!'"
Graham (among others) lost his cool, and for 20 minutes where Leeds had there best spell was because of this,
Saints were better and could have won by more had they kept their cool, but Graham especially needed to keep his head
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| The best 3 forwards on the pitch were Graham, Flannery and Cunningham. Leeds best was Burgess IMO, peacock had an average game and Bailey (good hit) other than that he didnt do much except hide out as a second phase player when Leeds attacked crapping himself. Senior and Gidley had a good battle in the centres and it was overall a very enjoyable game which the best team won.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Graham (among others) lost his cool, and for 20 minutes where Leeds had there best spell was because of this,
Saints were better and could have won by more had they kept their cool, but Graham especially needed to keep his head'"
When did Graham lose his cool? Graham COULD have lost his cool very easily as he was obviously wound up by Bailey's hit on his team mate, but Graham REMAINED cool, and stayed on the pitch. Bailey was the one substituted to calm down, Graham stayed on the pitch and went on to contribute to Saints scoring the clinching try.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no i mean when he ran sideways to get to graham, he targetted him and ran at him, he did that when Graham was spoiling for a fight and he did it legally and fairly'"
What? By running behind his own players?
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| Quote ="AJ Viking"When did Graham lose his cool? Graham COULD have lost his cool very easily as he was obviously wound up by Bailey's hit on his team mate, but Graham REMAINED cool, and stayed on the pitch. Bailey was the one substituted to calm down, Graham stayed on the pitch and went on to contribute to Saints scoring the clinching try.'"
for the 10-20 minutes where leeds came back into the game, he spent more time trying to be the big man and get at Bailey than concentrating on his game
i dont think he had a 'bad' game i think he could have been better, another day another ref could have seen him, Gilmour and Cunningham gone, which would have put leeds in a strong position we didnt really earn
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