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| He has coached England in 20 games
As coach we have won one game out of 8 against Australia and NZ since he was appointed.
Lost against Italy and lost games against the Exlies.
His win record is 50%
Considering the players at his disposal during that time Eg Graham and Burgess it is a poor record.
His failure to select Brough really showed in the game today.
In 80 minutes when our pack was on top we managed the grand total of ONE good kick all game.
Every season there have been issues around his team selections and substitution policy .
Today with Joel Tomkins we saw it yet again.
Someone at the RFL should send him his P 45 asap.
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| Fully agree. He's had his chance. Time is up.
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| It's who is there to replace him, that's the bigger question.
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| Quote ="tigertot"It's who is there to replace him, that's the bigger question.'"
The Ape will rise
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| Time to move on but I doubt we will.
If we do it's Wanes time. Love him or hate him the players run through brick walls for him and his team is supremely organised. With a bit more structure and patience (two traits of Wanes Wigan team) England would have won today.
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| Sorry I disagree.
I thought England were great today and have been very unlucky in the last couple of games.
I like our style of play, I think we've improved and I think McNamara deserves to stay.
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| Overall McNamara has done a decent job and frankly some of criticism and personal insults that h's received has been a disgrace. I'm not a fan of him really, but England are in a far better position on and off the field compared to when he took the job. If he does go, he can leave with his head high.
If he does go I doubt any of the top SL coaches would want it if it remains full time.
maybe McDermott will want a go at it, and think the time is right for him to leave Leeds. I'd like McNamara to till be involved in he set up somewhere. Having a guy whom coaches in the NRL is a very valuable asset.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Overall McNamara has done a decent job and frankly some of criticism and personal insults that h's received has been a disgrace. I'm not a fan of him really, but England are in a far better position on and off the field compared to when he took the job. If he does go, he can leave with his head high.
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Well said and i feel the same.
Its a thankless task being the England coach and you are very much on a hiding to nothing.Judged solely on performances against the big 2 and if we Beat the lesser teams easy then we were 'supposed to do that', Struggle a bit and it proves we are garbage.
His record against the big 2 reads 1-7 however that Don't tell the whole story.The first tour in 2010 was written off as getting some of the young lads experience and he has had to oversee a sea change in the old guard to the new.He got us to the 4 nations final in 2011 with an excellent victory over the Kiwis.Last years WC we were 30 seconds away from a WC final and we played good rugby throughout.This tournament we were a hairs breadth away from beating NZ and would have beaten OZ if we were not bent out of it by the VR.I would say he has ben a 7 out of 10 coach for us who just hasn't had the breaks.
Nothing against Mcnamara, just time for a change
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Overall McNamara has done a decent job and frankly some of criticism and personal insults that h's received has been a disgrace. I'm not a fan of him really, but England are in a far better position on and off the field compared to when he took the job. If he does go, he can leave with his head high.
If he does go I doubt any of the top SL coaches would want it if it remains full time.
maybe McDermott will want a go at it, and think the time is right for him to leave Leeds. I'd like McNamara to till be involved in he set up somewhere. Having a guy whom coaches in the NRL is a very valuable asset.'"
I agree also.
But the job surely isn't full time is it?
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| Despite having little time for him previously, I think persisting with McNamara may be the best option - the team is clearly a work in progress but the fact that there is progress is good. I'd take soundings from the senior players though. McDermott may be an option if they feel McNamara is done.
No way can Wane be involved with England - it's just inappropriate after the background to the Flower scandal and given what most elite players think of the Wigan approach to Rugby League.
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| Unlike many of his armchair critics, Mcnamara has behaved with dignity throughout.
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| For me time to go. Can't keep saying we're unlucky. We're not good enough over 80 mins against the big two. 1 win in 7 says everything. It's not luck.
McNamara has done slme great work behind the scenes at England (as he did at Bradford) which he deserves credit for, but the results speak for themselves.
We can't keep sticking with him and hoping we sneak a win. We've been saying jt for years.
We have one of the best England/GB squads for a long time which is half the reason we're so competitive. Just need someone who can take us that bit further.
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| His situation reminds me of Brian Noble at Wigan. He made us competitive and turned us in to a team capable of getting to semis but we could never take that next step. It needed fresh ideas to take us over the line and I think the same can be said for England.
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| McNamara to stay. The only downfall was team selection and only a few players at that. England keep showing improvements and the style of play is 100% better than it used to be. You never know the tournaments not over yet he could be a winning coach.
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| Quote ="DropGoalGiant"McNamara to stay. Quote The only downfall was team selection and only a few players at that'" . England keep showing improvements and the style of play is 100% better than it used to be. You never know the tournaments not over yet he could be a winning coach.'"
Nothing to do with the coach then team selections !!!!!!
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| I think he's done a pretty decent job and is unfairly getting far too much stick.
We have played with structure yet been positive, the way we moved the ball around was great.
Yet again we were a number of very fine lines away where we could have won against both Aus and the Kiwis away from home.
I've seen far too many games in the past where we looked totally out of our depth.
For those who constantly carp about selection, he's shown he's more than capable of making difficult decisions and swapping players in or out. Look at Sarge, dropping Chase etc.
No one is ever going to agree with every decision a coach makes . I really don't think picking Whithead for exAmple would have raised our performances significantly last week.
The players selected made more than enough opportunities to win, it isn't as though we have a proven world beater who has been ignored.
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| The team has played pretty well this tournament but a few crucial judgement calls by McNamara could have been the difference. Choosing Joel Tomkins was a big mistake at this point, as was Ferres especially in the game against NZ where he was played at Dummy Half. I like Smith as a player. He works his socks off but I'm not sure he has enough at this level and it showed.
I'm no fan of McNamara but he's improved the side slowly. I still think he's gone as far as he can and it's time for someone else to step in and take them up another gear.
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| Personally I think he's done a great job, it probably is time for him to move on though.
As for the OP thinking that the answer to all Englands prayers is the Scottish player Brough, I'll ask him a question that I've never had answered by his fanboys. name me one single game of importance that he has shone in and his team won?
Brough has chosen to play for Scotland please please let's drop it
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| Challenge Cup game Vs Leeds at Headingley in 2012, he destroyed Leeds and eclipsed Burrow, McGuire and Sinfield who collectively couldn't match Brough
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Challenge Cup game Vs Leeds at Headingley in 2012, he destroyed Leeds and eclipsed Burrow, McGuire and Sinfield who collectively couldn't match Brough'"
What round was it?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Challenge Cup game Vs Leeds at Headingley in 2012, he destroyed Leeds and eclipsed Burrow, McGuire and Sinfield who collectively couldn't match Brough'"
2013, at the John Smith's you mean?
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| Quote ="christopher"What round was it?'"
5th I think, maybe qtr final stage.
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| Erm Leeds were in the final in 2012 so Brough can't have played that well
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| Quote ="christopher"What round was it?'"
Why does it matter?
You asked someone to name an important match in which Brough had excelled, so I did!
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| Time to go? give it a rest! he is young the team is young the team is getting better & he is learning all the time. He has only just got the job started leave him to get it done & he can get us back to the top as we used to be. The only ones who want him gone are the people who where vocal against him from the start & can't except that he is coming good. We are now entering a phase where the coaching staff & players have come through from youngsters as full time profesionals let them get on with it & progress. None of the people mentioned are better than the current coach even if they wanted the job. For me he should be in place till at least the end of the 2017 world cup.
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